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9point6 , (edited )

> wants to use a doctors’ services

> Refuses the doctors services when doing this

Why don’t they want to help?

billiam0202 ,

“This Facebook video I watched while taking a shit totally proves the truth about vaccines that those people who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and nearly a decade of their life each to be allowed to prescribe are hiding from you!”

Reverendender ,

This should 100% trigger an immediate visit from CPS

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Without question. I think CPS should apprehend every unvaccinated (outside of medical reasons) child and make it a condition of returning them. I know that won’t happen but surely that’s a sign of shit parenting and child abuse.

spankmonkey , (edited )

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    Rhaedas ,

    Bodily autonomy doesn't apply when the choices made can affect many more people than yourself. I also don't think the isolation excuse works, as diseases can have carriers giving them a route to those pockets that aren't protected. Pretty sure we've seen that kind of flareup before, with the antivac crowds confused as to what happened.

    Kids with medical reasons why they can't get a vaccine aren't a risk to the vaccinated group, they are AT risk, but they are much more protected within that group than with a bunch of unvaccinated ones.

    billiam0202 ,

    There’s a strong case to be made that for any society, the citizen’s rights to bodily autonomy should be secondary to the health of that society, especially when the procedure in question is so trivially easy to get and overwhelmingly safe to do so and (it should go without saying) when all objections to said procedure are based solely on political ideology.

    The flip side of the rights granted to citizens from a society is a responsibility to that society, which is where the selfishness of conservative ideology is exposed.

    spankmonkey , (edited )

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    billiam0202 ,

    Sea lions are well known to be consistent creatures.

    spankmonkey ,

    Most issues are black and white with zero nuance, and anyone who acknowledges that must be a sealion. No exceptions!

    billiam0202 ,

    A person who was seriously asking questions in good faith wouldn’t have posted this response.

    spankmonkey ,

    Nobody who is posting in good faith can get frustrated when accused of not posting in good faith. Got it.

    BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

    If you try to spread antivax disinformation in this community you will be banned. Your only warning.

    spankmonkey ,

    I figured that my post including this was clear enough that I’m in favor of vaccines, but I guess anything short of 100% support for something is too close to malicious actors to have any kind of nuanced discussion.

    I am completely in favor of vaccine requirements for attending public schools, with only medical exemptions to not be vaccinated. No religious exemptions.

    I actually think most jobs should have vaccine requirements too.

    stoly ,

    Sadly children are treated as chattel in the US. Parent’s rights and all.

    nightwatch_admin ,

    I agree, but it would also not surprise me if Facebook’s grubby algorithm will hide such posts from - in this case - CPS employees, to prevent takedown of those very profitable posts.

    Grass ,

    once a baby is born america doesn’t care about it any more

    Album ,
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    Why bother with a doctor at all then

    nokturne213 ,

    Try the coroner.

    Tikiporch ,

    Sadly, many practices don’t expell patients whose parents refuse vaccination because money.

    NABDad ,

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