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FlyingSquid ,
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Once again, the thing I hate most about SovCits is that they make me pity cops.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

I think it’s both possible to dislike what police do and are, but also feel for some individual person who is working in a toxic culture beyond their capacity to change it, dealing with some absolute lunatic which is an act that’s far above their pay grade.

homesweethomeMrL ,

As long as we’re on the tangent, the lawyers and judges that have to go round and round with these willful idiots also deserve a moment of silence.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Agreed. Many lawyers are actually really excellent…

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

Road Pirate McGill sounds like a side-character from Convoy

satanmat ,

The most Fabulous of The Road Warriors, Max’s side kick junior

some_guy ,

“The Republic of Several States of the Union” is a new one for me.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

“Anyone else who has been successful” so… Nobody, then? I haven’t heard of a single so-called “sovereign citizen” get what they want.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Not true! There are dozens of stories on facebook about people who got what they wanted by making up obscure “law” from the planetoid. Dozens!

They’re all also made up, of course. But whatdya want.

some_guy ,

You must have missed the post about Josh helping someone get a car.

superkret ,

“Please tell me the magic words that will force the men with guns to go away.”

homesweethomeMrL ,

“Fire”

echodot ,

You’ve murdered a poor innocent acorn

Rentlar ,

This guy could use a cargo e-bike and live out his fantasy, he can put as many delusional signs he wants and doesn’t have to produce a license on request or pay any registrations or fees except sales tax.

Only downside is he doesn’t get to go faster than 20mph.

Karyoplasma ,

Up up down down left right left right B A Start

homesweethomeMrL ,

Doesn’t work if the power’s not on.

icenando ,

Non-American here. Can someone explain?

superkret ,

Honestly, no.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Before I explain, do you know what a sovereign citizen is?

Illuminostro ,

They’re called idiots where I’m from.

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Sovereign_citizen_movement

carl_dungeon ,

Yeah, there’s a growing subculture of people, not just in USA, that have fallen for an internet scam claiming to have found “loopholes” in the law. Generally, it involves not having legal plates on your car, registration, not paying child support or taxes, driving without a license, etc etc etc.

They theory goes that if you just “educate” yourself on constitutional, maritime, and wartime law, you can catch police and judges in a “gotcha, checkmate” situation and they’ll be powerless to do anything to you.

Sadly, there is a big overlap with SovCits, flat-earthers, right wing maga types, ancient alien conspiracy types, Neo-nazis/klan types, the mentally ill, and the poor and uneducated. They tend to be a group of people that dont have much in life and are susceptible to the idea that there is “one easy trick they don’t want you to know” type of cheat code to get ahead in life and leave problems behind.

Toxic relationship that ended and now she’s asking for child support? I’ll just become an independent nation that doesn’t recognize that law. Can’t afford car payment and the bank is trying to repossess? I’ll just make up some bank docs that “dismiss” the loan. Silly stuff like that.

There is a group of hucksters that prey on these people, they make YouTube channels, sell books, run seminars, etc etc etc to squeeze money from them while leaving these poor gullible sops running around being pedantic about the difference between “driving” and “traveling” as defined by some 18th century cattle rancher.

Alue42 ,

The original idea of being a sovereign citizen is fine in and off itself - something like Sealand - claiming Nation status outside the jurisdictional claim of any other nation and developing your own laws and methods for citizenship. If you can get your nation to be recognized by another and you are able to sustain yourself (electric, water, safety, roads, etc). This has happened in a few places. It's just something eccentric people that have some method of getting some isolated land do, or that they want to not be bothered.

But they still recognized the laws of the other places they were traveling to while they were there, because they obviously couldn't stay only within that tiny little area forever. However, people started to claim sovereign citizenry within their respective countries and that specific laws didn't apply to them because they were sovereign. Which is just ridiculous even if they were members of one of these sovereign nations.

Since none of what they were saying ever seemed to work, they started coming up with these specific "phrases" that had to be used and ways of saying it, capitalization, punctuation, etc. but the most insane to recently come out is that they believe the government sets up a secret Treasury account at birth in the name of anyone with a birth certificate that the government uses and puts debts onto (that's why they don't want to have birth certificates) but that they can get the debts cleared and get any access to the money in the account by using specific phrases to a judge. The account is the capitalized name on the birth certificate and the actual human is the lower case name. That's where a lot of these posted letters stem from.

My hope is that if they are trying to purge themselves from existence in databases, they also are removing themselves from the voter rolls - because if they truly believe they are a non-us citizen, then they should have no say in the state of the country, or even the local elections, correct?

icenando ,

Thanks! Ridiculous, really…

Therealgoodjanet ,

Does anyone know why they always put “not for hire”? Who/what is not for hire? The car? The plate? The person? And why does it need to be stated on the “license plate”?

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

They think driving is “travelling” and that if you are travelling for private reasons, not for work, that that means you can’t be bothered by the cops.

Therealgoodjanet ,

Thanks. Literally everything that comes out of their mouth is spells to either get magic free money or be untouchable. Amazing!

KazuyaDarklight ,
@KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world avatar

What I can see of that chassis sure looks like it’s “for hire” IMO.

pelletbucket ,

do these people have any videos of this going well? surely somebody’s encouraging them

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Absolutely not.

saltesc ,

It’s always money and trying to find the non-existent tree it grows off. Obviously something that relies on that tree won’t be sustainable.

And to put all this energy into finding the tree instead of planting one…

finley ,

They’ll do any kind of work for money aside from earning it legitimately

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