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Artyom ,

So they can’t spare $80, but they decided to have a kid? Do they have any clue how much a kid will cost them?

Etterra ,

A couple of beers and bad choices are rather cheaper than $80.

Artyom ,

I only partake in craft, independently brewed bad decisions thank you very much.

Jackfinished ,

I’ll put $$ down they are getting SNAP benefits for their kid(s)

Breve ,

I’m not deep into the lore, but as far as I understand sovcits believe there is a shadow trust (or a corporate entity with their name in all caps) created for every person that the government gets control of at birth when you “register” it. They also believe that certain laws only apply to this corporate entity and not to them as people, and that they can exploit loopholes to get access to this shadow trust to pay for things by telling others to charge bills to their corporate entity (again, name in all caps) instead of to them as people.

I guess she is expecting a new baby to have a new shadow trust for her to be able to pay for stuff with, thus why she wants to make sure she doesn’t “give up control” of it.

DeaLikesTrains ,

So you don’t get a birth certificate after birth if you don’t ask for it? In Germany, you can even request a new one since you’re in the system if you lose it or it gets destroyed. You have to pay a little fee but that’s all. Would anyone mind explaining this to me?

cobysev ,

They gave birth at home instead of in a hospital. Which means that there’s probably no record of the child’s birth and they haven’t gone through the process that usually gets you a birth certificate. So they’re deciding whether to go start that process for their newborn or not.

DeaLikesTrains ,

Ah, I get it know, thank you!

orcrist ,

If you have the child at home, then there is no auto-generated birth certificate. If you’re at a hospital then they’re probably going to document it, and whether or not you take the piece of paper, it’s in the system and can be printed out as needed.

Treczoks , (edited )

That’s because the kid is registered with the Standesamt anyway. Those sovcits don’t want their kids to be registered with any government agency as they are afraid this would mean something nasty for them. So pregnant sovcits try to avoid doctors, hospitals, and even midwives to prevent anyone from registering the baby in official documentation. Which means they give birth at home without any kind of medical assistence. Which in turn usually means a high (double-digit percentage, actually) risk for the baby or mother to die, but that is a risk they are willing to take.

The reasons given for not wanting the baby to be registered are not really clear - something about a fortune the government would own to the people, but somehow having a birth certificate would allow to state to withhold the money or something like that.

The whole issue is not about the piece of paper titled “Certificate of Birth”, it is about being registered as “Citizen” with the name in ALL CAPS by a government entity. They consider themselves as “American Nationals” instead of “American Citizens”, because “Citizens” are people (“subjects”) who are “subjugated” to the government.

Does not make much sense to you? Don’t worry, it does not make sense at all.

The other core believe I seem to have figured out is that they think the government owns them money - loads of money! - when they are not “American Citizens” but “American Nationals”. That’s why you can regularly read about sovcits trying to pay off credit card debt, the fat new pickup, the mortgage, or child support with a mysterious “voucher” or silver coins.

Etterra ,

What the hell is “…as to not be abandoning my child/child’s estate upon application” even supposed to mean? They managed to cram at least two irrational terms into a single clause. I mean I know these nut jobs don’t speak fucking English, clearly, but seriously what is this supposed to even mean?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good thing the big evil government can’t read newspapers, am I right?

meco03211 ,

I don’t think it’s meant to “hide” it from the government. I think it’s meant to avoid using official government documents. This stems from the belief that your birth certificate is the government opening a trust in your ALL CAPS name.

I might be messing some of that up. I still haven’t figured out what combination of alcohol, drugs, sleep deprivation, or whatever is optimal for trying to make sense of their shit. But I promise you I’m committed to figuring out the alcohol/drug portion at least.

Etterra ,

Maybe the reason the Republicans are trying to annihilate heat-related injury protection and precautions like water breaks in the red states is because the exact kind of mental state required to understand SovCit ablogic can only be attained via heat stroke.

aodhsishaj ,

If you don’t have money for the newspaper announcement or the bible, you don’t have money to raise a kid without government assistance…

I was raised on Government cheese, I wouldn’t be here today without it.

Etterra ,

Hey man condoms are free and beer is cheap, how was she supposed to know that sex could get her pregnant?

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Where’s Gideon when you need him?

OutlierBlue ,

If they can’t afford a small notice in the newspaper they definitely can’t afford a hotel room to steal the bible from!

Steve ,

Im pretty sure you can walk into almost any church and ask for a free bible and you will get it

OutlierBlue ,

It’s interesting how many of these posts have people claiming to have seen or heard of people doing it, but no one has actually seen someone who has successfully done it, and how. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it’s bullshit but rumours and legends still get passed around.

frustrated_phagocytosis ,

Feels like the efforts to avoid birth certificates would mostly benefit the sovcits who would end up owing child support on these kids

DemBoSain ,
@DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

Have they tried paying for the Bible and newspaper notice with a silver coin?

rollmagma ,

Amazing how you can learn even from the rants of a crazy person. Never new family bibles where a thing until today.

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