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argv_minus_one ,

My sensei in Sheogorath, your DRM is the reason those games are being lost!

p03locke ,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Who Killed Hannibal X360 meme

gk99 ,

Don’t forget the games that were already pulled. This includes every Valve game that isn’t Portal: Still Alive (which is arguably a better version of the game than the version that came with the now-delisted Orange Box but whatever) and Portal 2, as well as other major titles like Skate 2 and Jet Set Radio.

Microsoft has the money to figure this out, they just don’t actually care enough to. I mean for fuck’s sake, they own Bethesda and we still can’t even play Quake 4 on modern Xboxes. What’s the excuse there, Phil?

After years of dealing with his PR statements one after another, I just switched back to PlayStation for the first time since around 2015 since they don’t yank my chain about features. I still think they’ve put less effort and freedom into their platform, but they never say something positive like this and then just forget about it.

Hdcase ,

Phil, dressed in a hot dog suit: “We’re all trying to find the guy who did this”

youtu.be/WLfAf8oHrMo

lukas , (edited )
@lukas@lemmy.haigner.me avatar

“We hear you. I can relate to your struggles. We’d love to solve the problem. Of course, preservation is front and centre when all these decisions are made.” isn’t quite the same as “We’re working on a solution to preserve 360 games. We came up with the following solutions so far: […]. Let us know what you think. Stay tuned!”

I wouldn’t expect anything to come from this. Microsoft employees wrap a “fuck you” in a gift, gaslight the backlash, and tap dance. When the excrement makes abrupt contact with the rotating blades of the fan, the lead self-resigns with a long-wielded and non-apologetic notice. Another Microsoft employee takes over, and leads the team with the same mindset until the next incident.

idle ,
@idle@158436977.xyz avatar

Im sure this is a dumb take, but can they just open source the 360? Then they are not giving away games they are not allowed to.

TehPers ,

Not a dumb take at all, it’d be awesome if they did. Unfortunately there are likely contracts or business reasons preventing them from doing so, or code shared between the 360 and current gens that they want to keep proprietary. Still, with MS open sourcing more and more projects over time, I’d love to see it.

Lojcs ,

Still, not sure how that’d solve the store shutting down

idle ,
@idle@158436977.xyz avatar

If the goal is game preservation, the idea would be the community would preserve them for you. We would likely have highly usuable emualtors within a short time.

tamlyn ,
@tamlyn@lemmy.zip avatar

The server stay online for downloading game. I don’t really get it. If you close only the store, but keep the server for downloading online, do they safe like that so much money?

hedgehog ,

If they have dedicated servers per region that handle payment processing, and they would need to be upgraded in order to be compatible with currently supported OSes, yes. Or if just maintenance costs for keeping them online are high enough.

Or if they have to pay an annual fee to continue selling (but not distributing) the games.

Or if the annual base costs for the payment provider exceed their revenue.

averyminya ,

Upload them online, Microsoft.

niisyth ,

Don’t think they would have the rights to. They could sell it but making it available freely when it isn’t their IP would be a can of worms.

Chadus_Maximus ,

Xbox boss “would love to find solutions” so games keep being profitable even after they’re no longer being sold.

sounddrill ,

Hear me out: let these games be downloaded in a GOG style executable accepted by homebrew game launchers if they exist!

Clav64 ,

“I really hope we can find a way to prevent ourselves from shooting ourselves in the foot”

loads gun

“We are open to solutions…”

cocks gun

ramble81 ,

“I wish we could find a solution to the problem we’re going to cause” says the person causing the problem in the first place.

freakrho ,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

it used to be the case that when you weren’t able to enforce DRM on a piece of software anymore, you would offer it as a free download so people who bought it wouldn’t lose it

freakrho ,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

thinking about photoshop CS2 for instance, they offered the download and some keys that would work on it

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

But then it quit working on 64bit.

freakrho ,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

they don’t have to keep supporting, just not make it unavailable the best case would be if they made it open source, in that case other people could keep maintaining it, but would be against their profit incentives

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

If adobe made their best selling product open source?

BlahajEnjoyer ,

Then the world would be a better place and it would likely use less RAM

upstream ,

Image processing uses huge amounts of RAM. Regardless of who makes the software.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

GIMP is best RAM!!! 🤪

freakrho ,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

think about all the resources currently spent on stopping people from using software

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Reworded: Think of all the resources spent on making sure people don’t steal the software you paid to make.

I’m all for open source software. But if a company spends money paying employees, they need to not go out of business.

Now, do I think they overcharge? Yes. Do I think their subscription model is offensive? Yes. Are there other alternatives: Affinity Photo, you pay once for the version. Yours forever.

rich ,

But…aren’t they all already backed up by the preservation community? Redump, etc. I haven’t checked admittedly

TonyTonyChopper ,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

The final solution 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

qyron ,

Either open source it, lead an effort to create a way for everything to be emulateable involving the players/fans/supporters in it or port everything for another platform.

and don’t even think about charge a single cent again; it’s your part planning to deprive people from the store.

acastcandream , (edited )

Microsoft should make all of their Microsoft studio games available that they no longer want to host, but they can’t force other studios to do the same anymore than Valve can force studios to do a sale/give away games on steam.

qyron ,

They way it was written passed me the impression the titles were all MS proprietary.

roguetrick ,

The key thing is, their license model and walled garden policies are what created the problem. Wringing their hands when something they knew would happen happens isn't admirable.

acastcandream ,

Oh no doubt. Believe me I have no sympathy for M$. I’m just reiterating the fact that it’s not as simple as it sounds, even if it’s because of their own decisions lol

TwilightVulpine ,

Legally they can't do it, but we need a legal solution for the quick obsolescence of digital media. Digital media can't be reasonably expected to last "120 years from the date of creation" like books can. By then not only servers are sure to be down, but every single XBox 360 will have turned into piles of rust. Even movies struggle to last this long.

NuPNuA ,

Aside from games where the lisences have expired like Forza, most first party games are back cat on the series S/X aren’t they?

acastcandream ,

The list of backwards compatible 360 games is pretty lengthy but it is not 100% covered

NuPNuA ,

First party are largely covered though right. It’s third party they can’t get the rights to repackage that cause the issue.

ReversalHatchery ,

I doubt they have the sources for the games they distribute

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