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JusticeForPorygon ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6609a7aa-f07d-4778-80bf-2bf75fa2226a.pngI know what I’m doing

germtm_ ,

implying i have 70 friends who don’t own Terraria already.

ramble81 ,

I’ll be your friend (I have never played Terraria)

Empricorn ,

Hey, friend.

conciselyverbose ,

I don’t think it’s worth it, especially if you already own a PS5.

But what did people think it was going to cost?

lath ,

Going eco is all the rage, so probably tree fiddy.

PunchingWood , (edited )

I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should’ve been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it’s not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you’ll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.

People don’t NEED to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I’d be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.

That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.

Die4Ever ,
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It won’t come close to a 4080 so that isn’t a sensible comparison. I think it’s estimated to be slower than the regular 4070.

IDK why you mention 4k and max settings and high frame rates, PS5 Pro won’t do these things. It’s not even twice as fast as the regular PS5 which in many games drops below 1080p 60fps medium settings.

PunchingWood ,

Which is why I said it’s wait and see.

The PS5 already does 4K and higher framerates, for at least most of their optimised first-party games, I’d just expect a Pro version to handle it better on top of more traytracing, otherwise what even would be the point of upgrading for such a high price.

A 4070 is still like €600+, if you want more advanced raytracing stuff you’ll have to go for 4080 and up, which means easily exceeding €1000 for a GPU.

This is why I compared the PS5 Pro to the 4080, because they claim to do advanced raytracing on the Pro. Which is why I think a price of €800, which sits between that of a 4070 and 4080, is quite reasonable. People want high visual fidelity on 4K and high framerates, but still expect to pay far less than high-end PC hardware, I don’t think that’s a realistic expectation.

Die4Ever , (edited )
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Watch Digital Foundry, very very few AAA PS5 games can do 4k AND 60fps (which is what I assume you mean by “high framerates”, although 60 isn’t really that high it’s just mid). Probably none of those are doing ray tracing at the same time. Most PS5 games have upscaling enabled at all times because they’re rendering at much lower internal resolutions. PS5 Pro is not even twice as powerful, it’s not going to be capable of pushing 4x as many pixels per second. There’s a reason why they’re still talking about their upscaling algorithms.

“Advanced ray tracing” is not a technical term that exists it’s just marketing speak. And obviously they couldn’t say path tracing because they won’t be doing much of that like a 4070 or 4080 can do.

Here Digital Foundry is comparing the PS5Pro to the RTX 3070 Ti, which is much weaker than the 4070 and the 4070 also has more VRAM than the 3070 Ti (which was the 3070’s weakness). youtu.be/W2wOn8zS8dU?t=3577

The 4070 is similar to the 3080, which is a pretty decent lead over the 3070 Ti. The 4080 is leagues above them all.

tpucdn.com/…/relative-performance-rt-3840-2160.pn…

chwilson ,
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not entirely related but I guarantee you’d have more fun playing some cheap indie game with your close friends on a $800 PC

callouscomic ,

Remember when some top Sony exec said that this generation wouldn’t need a pro, and that that was a unique PS4 generation thing?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Looking at GTA6 I wonder if a normal PS5 can even run the game at the resolution from the trailer

peopleproblems ,

I love my PS5.

But I also just got a Ryzen 9 5900x for $300 off, I have a RTX 2070 Super. My PS5 can play games with HDR at 4k at 30fps. Big ol 65" screen. With the Ryzen 7 3700x I could get like 70 FPS on cyberpunk 2077 on my 2k monitor 27" screen, no HDR with DLSS3 enabled.

The processor upgrade alone was an huge boost to game quality for $250. Since I now don’t have to replace all my internals to utilize an RTX 4080 Super, I’m getting one of those.

The RTX 4080 Super has an HDMI 2.1 port, so I can use VRR on my TV and enjoy the 120hz smooth frame rate.

The PS5 pro is essentially the same as the PS4 Pro was the last generation. It you have a PS5, you won’t notice a huge difference.

_sideffect ,

Look into moonlight streaming and you can get the same PC experience on your tv, too

peopleproblems ,

Is it still kicking? I didn’t have a lot of success with it in the past, I’ll give it another shot

_sideffect ,

I’m not buying the pro, the PS6 or the next Xbox series console.

This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.

I’ll wait until 4 years into the new console gen to decide.

Until then, I have my pc and my 7800xt Nitro+

clay_pidgin ,

I would have considered a new console if I could follow the naming convention. this pro and series whatever nonsense is too confusing for someone who isn’t plugged into console generations anymore.

Itsamelemmy ,

Ok, xbox is confusing with the one, one x, series x. Etc But PS is PS5 and ps5pro. And I guess whether you want a disc drive.

PS has kept their naming consistent enough that it’s not hard to figure out. Ps4 and ps5 are obviously different gens, one x series x doesn’t inform you in any way what’s better.

Squizzy ,

I think I am going to go Xbox next time around for console games. The PS5 has been a let down in terms of game selection and overall improvements. I actually get mad when I go to look at games in the store and the ads and clips are blurry and low res because Sony dont invest in their backend to stream at a decent resolution.

I bought a meh pc yesterday because Im going to use that moving forward, pay for myinternet once and use it when I want.

Itsamelemmy ,

If you think the ps5 game selection is bad wait till you see what xbox doesn’t have. And everything exclusive to xbox is on PC. Sony has been absolutely mopping the floor with xbox this gen, which is probably why they think people will spend $700 in the pro.

And how’s your internet? Because I’ve never thought the videos on the store were bad enough to complain about. Might not be 4k but its never been blurry for me.

EncryptKeeper ,

“Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.

Nikls94 ,

To be fair, the PS5 was the worst investment I made last year. I did never buy a PS4, I own PSX, 2 and 3 tho.

garretble , (edited )
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

This thing is expensive, and I probably won’t get one.

But the Panasonic 3DO cost $700 in 90s money and that thing sucked ass, so this price isn’t something we’ve never seen before.

Sony does need to read the room, though. It’s a bit of a bad look.

Squizzy ,

Prices have changed since then, tvs were serious investments that ate up a significant portion of your income. It was a different consideration back then.

captain_aggravated ,
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I think Sony is trying for bankruptcy. With that whole PSN thing with, which game was it, Helldivers? Just…who would ever buy anything from Sony ever again?

kryllic , (edited )
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I regret buying a PS5 at all. I haven’t been a PSN subscriber for over three years at this point and I don’t feel inclined to be in the future. All the games my friends and I play are on PC and really the only game worth a damn is Astrobot, which is far and away the most fun platformer game I’ve played and is the sole game to justify that console purchase lol.

I echo the other comments here saying this generation is a waste, it really is and there is nothing really to be gained by getting the latest and “greatest” console today. Maybe it’s just a sign of the times that consoles just don’t have that much pull like they used to, unless they’re portable like the Steam Deck or Switch.

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