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JDPoZ ,
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As long as there are killer 1st party titles exclusive to a console platform, there’s a reason to buy one.

Personally, I love Zelda, Mario, and most recently I’ve been excited about the new Astro Bot game about to come out.

Outside of Steam Deck emulation, you need a console to play those, and I do enjoy the convenience.

The last Xbox worth buying was the 360, because all Xbox titles are released on other platforms now - eliminating the need for an Xbox console.

baronvonj ,
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People have been telling me that consoles are dying and everyone will play on PC instead for over 30 years. The convenience factor of the all-in-one hardware, and the supported lifetime of the platform, can’t be understated. I can see docked phones being a replacement at some point. But I’d be surprised if PCs ever squash out consoles.

ampersandrew ,
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PC is already larger than active users on both PlayStations combined, and it didn’t used to be that way. Given the Steam Deck and what Microsoft have been saying about handhelds and their next console(s), you’re looking at a very real possibility that the next Xbox is just a PC with a different UI, like the Steam Deck.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

isn’t the steam deck much closer to a console than a PC?

Paradox ,
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It’s honestly the best of both worlds. A well built and tested hardware platform with well known specs and manufacturer support, that’s capable of running any third party software at the drop of a hat

ampersandrew ,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Now we’re in philosophical territory with questions like, “What is a console?” It runs PC games, but you can navigate it with a controller. It has most console features but is malleable enough to have most PC features.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

sure, it’s a spectrum. but to me the biggest defining feature of a console is being a self-contained wad of hardware, unable to be upgraded or repaired piece by piece.

ampersandrew ,
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Then it arguably isn’t that either. They give you full instructions on how to repair and upgrade it, and they partnered with iFixIt. People have modded in more storage, battery life, and better screens. Personally, I think I draw the line at the part where it runs the same executables as any other PC, so I’ll call it a PC.

HowManyNimons ,

Wow, it’s been 40 years since I played on a spectrum.

melroy ,
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Steam Deck is just Linux... It's the same as installing Linux with Steam. And run Proton via Steam.

simple OP ,

Aside from convenience, the price really is a lot cheaper than equivalent PCs. An RTX 4070 alone costs as much as a playstation 5 (with disc), and that comes with a controller too.

ampersandrew ,
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The new-gen console is actually trending 7 per cent ahead of the PS4 in the United States launch aligned.

And how much do you think the drop in Xbox is? It’s way more than 7 percent. The problem for Sony isn’t that its console is dying; it’s that they’re approaching market saturation. They’ve got their market cornered in a way that they never have, and they’ve only got a 7 percent lead off of the last generation. Peak dollars spent on consoles was back in 2009, when all three consoles were in very healthy competition. Many PS4 users are happy to stay on PS4, because the games they play are over 10 years old, like Grand Theft Auto V and Minecraft, so there’s no need to upgrade.

Meanwhile, a console that launched with some idea of every game running at 60 FPS is now compromising on that (it was inevitable, but people believed otherwise). Games that used to be console exclusive are now coming out on PC, where you don’t need to pay a subscription fee to play online and your library always comes with the assumption that every game you have will be forward compatible. Even if you buy the new PlayStation, there’s no promise that your old games will run at better resolutions and frame rates. The controller you bought 10 years ago still works on PC, but Sony says you need to buy the new one, even if the game you’re playing uses none of its new features. The VR system you bought before doesn’t play the new VR games. For all sorts of economic realities, not the least of which are certification processes and licensing fees, there’s a good chance that game you really want to play is on PC long before it’s on console, in early access or otherwise. There are no competing storefronts for digital releases, so you can only pay what Sony says you have to pay. Consoles also aren’t even significantly cheaper than an equivalent PC anymore, and they run basically the same hardware under the hood, so the reasons for a console as we know them today to exist are fewer and fewer as time goes on.

RxBrad ,
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60fps PS5 games were only ever 60fps because they were really just PS4 games running on faster hardware.

Now that we’re finally getting games that aren’t cross-gen with the 10-year-old PS4, we’re back to 30fps-ville.

sir_pronoun ,

Oh, the Ex-Xbox Exec? I hear is now a Court Reporter with a unique sense of fashion, the jet-setting jort-sporting Court Reporter.

HipsterTenZero ,
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Well, maybe there’s some truth to that. my phone is basically a Switch when I slide it into a controller. The biggest problem it’s facing is the limited library of non-shitty games and storage space. Once I can store a terabyte on my phone and can link it up to my steam library, I don’t think I’d even consider buying a console again. To me, the only thing a playstation has over a steam deck is its exclusives.

makingStuffForFun ,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

And exclusive titles is an asshole move to force users to buy a whole platform for a single game. It’s anti competitive. It’s anti consumer. It should be illegal.

RangerJosie ,

Consoles will be around until the tech is sufficiently advanced as to negate their usefulness. There will come a day when a phone does everything a modern high end PC can. Bluetooth to a TV and play whatever you want.

Graphic fidelity is almost to a point where there isn’t much more needed in the way of processing power. Another decade. Maybe 2. Consoles will still exist for decades yet. But they’re going to become increasingly unnecessary.

Steam is futureproof. But nothing else.

nickhammes ,

Dedicated hardware still has benefits, having your phone notifications separate from gaming, if your phone breaks having your console break would suck, and imo a touchscreen will never surpass physical buttons on controllers so you’d still want those.

I personally hope the future looks more like a steam deck than a gaming phone.

acosmichippo ,
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I think it’s a bit shortsighted to assume gaming will have no use for significantly more powerful hardware in the future. even if not for graphics or VR, it could be greater use of AI, or something else we could never foresee.

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