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Fediverse is 100% Decentralized or not?

Somehow, I feel like the federated network is still centralized, because there is still censorship; it’s just distributed across more servers.

I mean, it definitely gives users more rights to free speech, and I’m not worried about privacy issues. However, the removal of content and the banning of accounts are things that are diminishing my passion for sharing my thoughts publicly(on reddit).

I just dont want this happened on here but I am seeing some…

BlueEther ,
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you have been here an hour - I think you need to read some around how lemmy/federation and instances work.

Agamemnon ,
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It’s not about freedom of speech (or by some peoples interpretation it would be more accurately called ‘anarchy of speech’). The need for moderation still exists just as the rights higher in the hierarchy of human rights still exist and need protection - especially from armchair anarchists.

cacheson ,
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Hey now, anarchists don't deserve this slander. Moderation typically falls under freedom of association/disassociation, which we're strongly in favor of. The people you have a problem with are the ones that think you should be forced to listen to them, which is pretty contrary to the anarchist ethos.

curiosityLynx ,

The fediverse being decentralized means that there are many servers/instances, each with their own codes of conduct (or lack of one). Similarly, different communities on those servers can have different rules they might want to enforce with removals of posts or comments. For example, a community about cat pictures will have a rule about posts having to be cat pictures and will remove a post about your grandma's vegetable soup recipe.

If your comment/post was removed, that probably means your post/comment was either against the rules of the community or against the code of conduct of the entire server/instance. If it's the former, look for or create a community where that kind of content is appreciated. If you're running up against the code of conduct of the instance, look for a server/instance where your content wouldn't be violating the code of content or make your own server/instance where you're the one defining the code of conduct. Of course, that code of conduct would only apply to communities on your server.

If your server becomes a source of constant shit, admins of other servers might decide to defederate from your server. Think of it like making your own email server: if too many of your email server's emails are spam, other email providers might decide to designate your email server as a spam factory and block all emails coming from it.

kbity ,
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Centralisation in this instance refers to control over the network and standard itself rather than control over what's posted on it. There's no single authority that can unilaterally change how every Fediverse instance and system works - for example, there isn't anyone who can decree that from now on Lemmy will no longer allow connections from Canada, or that nobody is allowed to post pictures of capybaras any more.

It's intended to prevent a /u/spez or Elon Musk situation where one asshole can bring down the entire ecosystem built around an API. Nothing stops anyone else from hosting their own instance if they dislike lemmy.world, whereas if you don't like Twitter, you can't just host your own copy of it.

Chozo ,

On this part of the Fediverse, things definitely lean a bit more left/center, in general, so that's something you may want to keep in mind with the communities you're interacting with. I've seen a few communities that lean a bit more to the right, but they're definitely more moderate, I've found. There's other parts of the Fediverse, though, that lean even further to the right. There's also a few that go waaaay further left than here. There's plenty of options.

But something else to consider, is that some of those instances are defederated this part of the overall network, so you may see that there's a sort of self-imposed firewall between some of these communities. But wherever you go, every instance is privately-operated, so you'll be beholden to somebody else's rules. The workaround for this is that you can host your own instance and do whatever you want. But, it's up to each individual community whether or not they want to allow your content on their platform, as much as it is you with yours.

I've not looked into your post history, so I don't know which way you lean. Maybe I agree with your opinions. Maybe I absolutely despise your hot takes. Either way, I hope you find an appropriate place to share them. Best of luck!

HorreC ,
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while you have the ability to say what you want, in this you do not get to force others to read it. Make your own space, or find one that you like. It will be an echo chamber, but like I said no one is obligated to read what you post about.

jordo ,

I can’t help but feel that you’re conflating censorship with centralization. A defederated network just means that the servers you’re on will choose what they’d like to censor. Running your own server or looking for one which you probably agree with is something which may work for you, while giving others the ability to defederate and not have to read what you’re saying.

JackGreenEarth ,

The great thing about this system though is that you can always create an account on your own instance, and interact with any instance that hasn’t been defederated from you.

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