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Youtube alternatives | Foss and privacy centered alternatives

cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/1057347

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With youtube blocking adblockers, maybe it’s time to look into alternatives and start migrating videos there as well. Any viable Fediverse alternatives that’s mature enough to contend with youtube?

samokosik ,
@samokosik@lemmy.world avatar

If you care only about front end, use Invidious

ScaNtuRd ,

PeerTube, Odysee

nuzzlerat ,

I need to know how they are handling the server costs involved… even if you host your own instance for just your own uploads, you are still going to be paying a lot whenever people are watching those videos, no?

Video is a way different ballgame than regular social media imo

dedale ,
@dedale@kbin.social avatar

Peertube uses bittorrent, the viewers share the video among themselves to relieve server load.
I don't know how well it works, since there's never enough people around to see it in action.

nuzzlerat ,

I had a feeling they might. It’s likely the only way to make it possible but it is not without faults either.

Thanks for the info, I’ll look into it more!

Timwi , (edited )
@Timwi@kbin.social avatar

BitTorrent requires people to be able to connect to each other directly. In a world where almost every home user is behind a router that does NAT, software is no longer able to just open a TCP connection because that requires a publicly open port. I realize that for desktop software some elaborate tricks exist to circumvent this, but how would a website be able to do that?

dedale ,
@dedale@kbin.social avatar

I have absolutely no idea, you could try asking the devs or look into webtorrent.

Ohthereyouare ,

If anyone actually knows how video within the Fediverse works, please share…

I’ve been trying to figure out and I’m struggling.

There’s @peertube, @owncast, @tilvids

But, for the life of me, I cannot figure out how it works

phil299 , (edited )

This by no means a expert explanation. But as I understand it peertube and owncast are video sharing sites that operate much like lemmy but for video. So people start platforms ( like a instance on lemmy ) and then other people can join said platform and watch the videos , however like lemmy you can watch videos across all platforms ( I assume much like lemmy as long as the platform admins allow ). Both peertube and owncast say they are Fediverse projects and as such it should be possible to access the videos on other fediverse enabled applications although not sure how well this in implemented.

info

peertube specific info

I have to say as youtube alternatives I think they fit the bill best as it is free to watch , open source and quite an elegant solution , clearly early days but none the worse for that imo

Under the hood I believe it is a distributed load system ( a bit like the BBC’s Iplayer ) but that is beyond my pay grade.

EDIT

BTW peertube = youtube alterative owncast = twitch alternative tilvids = peertube platform

Ohthereyouare ,

This is a good explanation I think. Unfortunately, it seems to be exactly the way I understood it before I asked.

It still doesn’t quite make sense.

How do I find other @peertube platforms? Is there a directory? When I try to sub to a channel, I’m prompted to download a messaging app?

It just isn’t intuitive. I’m a pretty tech savvy fella. I’ve now watched 3 videos on the topic, read the welcome guides, visited all the profiles looking for answers. But… I come up blank.

phil299 , (edited )

Peertube platform list here

You have to open a account to :-

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">Comment videos
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Subscribe to channels to be notified of new videos
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Have access to your watch history
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Create your channel to publish videos
</span>

Although you should be able to follow specific platforms via something like mastodon

notavote ,

Peertube is youtube like federated software, while owncast is something like twitch I think. Like lemmy and kbin, while tilvids.com is one instance of peertube, but it’s owner is really trying to bring high quality content over there. You can get a feeling of what are they trying to make be reading their blog: blog.tilvids.com it is really something that makse me optimistic.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

So nebula seems to be flying under people’s radar, but seems like the obvious option at the moment with many you tubers there already.

It’s subscription based. I’ve got one. I really hope they find a way to join the fediverse in some way.

Frostwolf OP ,
@Frostwolf@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. Will check it out. Maybe I will get rid of my youtube premium soon, especially if more and more creators pull out their content from youtube.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_(streaming_service)

Their home page, nebula.tv, seems to be down right now.

s08nlql9 ,

i was able to access after a few tries

TwoGems , (edited )
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

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    FlashPossum ,

    The benefit of Nebula is that they are first and foremost a paid service. So there is less motivation to monetize customers in unethical ways.

    kurgal ,

    There’s d.tube and peertube

    Nioxic ,

    It’s subscription based.

    Then how exactly is it a youtube alternative?

    thats youtubes whole thing - being freely available.

    then pornhub is an alternative as well, guess ?

    maegul ,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Well nothing is free. You’re the product on YouTube.

    By the same logic nothing on the fediverse is an alternative, as it runs on donations from users which is basically a subscription model with built in welfare for those not able or willing to donate.

    Given that nebula videos are more difficult to produce than rambling text posts, it makes sense to be more stringent about the subscriptions. I’d say therefore it’s very much within the spirit of the fediverse as profits are given back to the creators.

    MrPear ,

    I think being categorized as an alternative to a platform is based on it’s functionality, not the way you pay for it. It’s about what purpose it has to the user.

    Besides that, you pay for Youtube as well, but with your data and maybe YT Premium.

    phil299 ,

    I really do not think that they are aiming to join the fediverse , the subscription model really suggests they want your money and have broadcast aspirations. I also think that the offerings are fairly low level atm of course that might change but I doubt it.

    maegul ,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    I wouldn’t want them to abandon their subscription model. Just make it easier to use and distribute from within the fediverse.

    I think subscription models are good and should become normalised for things like artists and more serious content creators.

    Firipu ,
    @Firipu@startrek.website avatar

    Fediverse being hot right for all things social media now doesn't mean that everything should go that route.

    It's like everything went blockchain in 2019 and everything is going AI in 2023. Some things are fine as they are and they don't need to follow the current buzzword.

    maegul ,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sure. All I’m taking about though, and this is really all that the fediverse is about, is a standard format (ie ActivityPub) for the distribution of data over the internet somewhat similar to HTTP and SMTP for web pages and email.

    They don’t need a platform or an app and decentralised instances or anything … just some presence that allows their creators and links to their videos to be easily sharable on here.

    Steve ,
    @Steve@compuverse.uk avatar

    Not sure where your getting broadcast aspirations from.

    Nebula was created by a bunch of youtubers. Mostly the video essay types. They didn’t like that videos got demonotized so easily if they mearly mentioned a controversy. So they created their own system that’s subscription funded so they don’t have to worry about advertisers.

    monerobull ,

    I’m weirded out by the fact that they offered a “lifetime” subscription for rather cheap. That’s not something you do if you want to get indefinite funding for your video platform (hosting video is expensive).

    maegul ,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Huh. Didn’t see that. Though it’s not the first time I’ve seen this attempted. I’d guess it’s an idea that spread through certain circles of people interested in long term sustainable services.

    Piemanding ,

    From what I’ve heard from Linus Tech Tips, every creator on it owns a bit of Nebula. They get paid from views and when the service stops being profitable they cash out and give every creator their cut.

    maegul ,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yea it’s part of my attraction to the platform/service … the commitment to creator ownership. All of the youtubers I’ve seen talk about nebula as “my streaming service …”.

    p03locke ,
    @p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Nebula is only populated by some of the Top 1% of YouTubers who made a name for themselves on YouTube. You can’t get in until you’re already well-known and they approach you. And once you’re in, you’re stuck shilling for Nebula on YouTube for the rest of your days.

    They do not care about the little guy, and expect YouTube to act as its vetting process. It is not a replacement for YouTube. If YouTube went belly up one day, they would not have any place to curate new talent, and would be riding the coattails of whatever ends up being the real replacement for YouTube.

    viralJ ,

    Since when is twitch ad free? 🤔

    Frostwolf OP ,
    @Frostwolf@lemmy.world avatar

    Woah good catch. Sorta just skimmed the article when looking for a good youtube article.

    This video came to my feed just today and I was thinking what would be a good place to archive youtube videos.

    youtu.be/HPiH7v9m6gE

    The fact that some youtube creators are deleting their content and channels without an archive somewhere is not only tragic but also worrying.

    Nioxic ,

    since forever

    i’ve NEVER seen an ad on twitch

    granted i’ve probably only watched maybe 50 hours in total since it was called… Justin.tv…

    but never seen an ad.

    to begin with, they couldnt have ads to certain countries

    but my adblocker blocks it all

    NeonWoofGenesis ,
    @NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi avatar

    Sure ain’t adfree. Lately they’ve been getting past ublock origin too.

    lhx ,
    @lhx@lemmy.world avatar

    They show ads every video?

    viralJ ,

    Every time I try to watch a VOD, it starts with an ad.

    viralJ ,

    OK so with your ad block you can say that all platforms have been ad free since forever lol

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