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AnObscureTenet ,

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    dfyx OP ,
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    Alright, out of all the comments in this thread, this is the one I’ve reported to the mods. I will accept your arguments (even though the same ones have been made over and over) but what’s up with all this hate? Who hurt you so much that you have to throw paragraphs full of insults at someone?

    tenth , (edited )

    Its your choice as instance owner to do that

    Visit fedipact.online to see a list of instance owners who will defederate their instance from Threads

    Heads up: its a long list

    Mac ,

    “It forces them to play by the rules”

    They will play by the rules because that’s the Embrace step of EEE, not because anyone forced them to.

    mvirts ,

    … could you argue that federation content from a cc-by-sa licensed instance would be in violation on a commercial instance? Meta is a us corporation after all

    skymtf ,

    Interesting take, but I am still defederating them to hell and asking others to do so. Facebook’s moderation approch is to allow the most hateful cingeng under the guise of fair political speech and I won’t stand for it

    xyzinferno ,
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    Interesting take on the matter. Right now, I’m not sure which way I sway, since there’s valid points on both sides. On one hand, I’d hate to tolerate Meta, and I don’t doubt they have some plan for trying to bend and twist the Fediverse to suit their own interests. But on the other hand, as of right now, forcing them to play by the rules of the open source software we collectively use is leverage against Meta, and allows us to safely access their content without having to download their apps.

    Definitely going to have to think on this a bit more, myself.

    AnObscureTenet ,

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    ekZepp ,
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    I won’t be sucked in some other big tech social if I don’t intend to. The moment my posts are accessible from Thread is the moment i will burn all my posts to the ground, just as I did before. My stuff can stay on my Hard drive for all i care.

    bizzle ,
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    I think federation with Meta would be the best way to encourage low effort Facebook stye content, which sucks. Ban Meta.

    Melco ,

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    4z01235 ,

    Threads is not a Lemmy instance, but it is implementing the ActivityPub protocol and thus will be able to federate with Lemmy instances, Mastodon servers, presumably kbin, Friendica, GNU Social, etc.

    cryball ,

    Has meta given any indication that they want to federate with other instances?

    Gatsby ,

    Yes. They’re coding ActivityPub into threads.

    You don’t buy a car if you don’t want to use a car.

    Melco ,

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    eatyourglory ,
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    @Melco @4z01235 wdym with protect?

    Adanisi ,
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    Ask your instance to defederate from them.

    iMeddles ,

    Its interesting that everyone focuses on the privacy and the EEE risk of this, but my reasons for leaving Facebook were that Facebook is actively-allowing-the-promotion-of-genocide-because-not-moderating-is-better-for-their-bottom-line Evil. I left facebook because I’m not willing to provide the (even infinitesimal) boost to their network effects that my account had. For the same reason, Threads is an instant defederate on launch.

    AnObscureTenet ,

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    UniDestroyer ,

    Thanks for laying this out. You persuaded me.

    dfyx OP ,
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    Not my original intention but glad you liked it.

    app_priori ,

    I’m going to go against the grain here and say that there’s a lot of gatekeeping and shaming going on, especially against the Mastodon owners who are thinking about federating with Meta’s instance.

    Federating with Meta’s servers should be a choice. If people want the ability to interact with celebrities and normies, that would be a huge boost to ActivityPub and Mastodon in general, especially for the servers that do end up federating with Meta. Their users would be able to interact and follow all of the mainstream people who are not on Mastodon.

    It should be always be a choice. And for those servers that don’t federate, things will remain the same. Don’t try to gatekeep or spread FUD, it just makes you look paranoid and insular.

    kukkurovaca ,
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    That’s not what gatekeeping means.

    app_priori ,

    There’s peer pressure going on right now encouraging Mastodon instance owners not to federate with Meta’s Threads. How is that not gatekeeping?

    kukkurovaca ,
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    Gatekeeping is keeping someone without access/power on the outside. People who are already running instances have by definition passed the gate.

    dfyx OP ,
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    I don’t know if gatekeeping is the right word but some people treat you like traitors if you even suggest that federating with Meta might be a valid option. Just look at the upvote/downvote ratio of this post and some comments I got. Some people are very entrenched in their opinion and I wouldn’t be surprised to soon see posts with “We must defederate from everyone who federates with Meta”.

    kukkurovaca ,
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    Indeed, that is not gatekeeping. It’s applying social and moral pressure. Similar to a boycott campaign, protest, etc. Such methods are intended to discomfit and inconvenience. They’re used in situations where being nice and getting along are determined to be nonviable strategies for getting the desired result.

    Those methods in themselves are morally neutral; the question is, are they employed for a reason which justifies and necessitates them, i.e., how serious is a thread does Facebook pose to the fediverse. (I think it’s reasonable to take facebook as an evil seriously and to not give them an inch.)

    Some people are very entrenched in their opinion and I wouldn’t be surprised to soon see posts with “We must defederate from everyone who federates with Meta”.

    That’s definitely already happening. This is a normal part of federation, tbh. Instances block instances that federate with bad actors because they want to limit as much as possible their exposure to/involvement with those actors, as well as to place pressure on others to do the same. Obviously not everyone considers facebook to be a bad actor, but it’s not surprising that those who do would act accordingly.

    ram ,
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    It’s people’s choice to earn the ire of others. It’s their choice to federate with Threads, and it’s my choice to defederate from them as a result.

    app_priori ,

    And that’s within your right too. It goes both ways.

    Sanyanov ,

    A valid point was made here that we should probably have a small section of the Fediverse federated with Meta as a way to access Threads without leaving the safety of the Fediverse.

    But the rest should defederate. We must protect what we fought hard to gain.

    dfyx OP ,
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    That might actually be a feasible compromise.

    Flax_vert ,

    Thankfully my instance admin isn’t going to defederate

    AnObscureTenet ,

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    app_priori ,

    But that choice should be up to instance owners and people shouldn’t pressure them either way. It’s their instance, after all, not yours.

    dfyx OP ,
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    Exactly the point I wanted to make. Hopefully that came across.

    ram ,
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    We should leave instances who federate with threads.

    Sanyanov ,

    If it’s a big public instance, the decision should better be democratic.

    ekZepp , (edited )
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    No is not. Just do another account and join Therad. They are the “good guys” right? So I’m sure they will allow third app access to their contents, if not just download ther app as any other social.

    dbilitated ,
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    defederating means that people who want to connect with someone on the platform are forced to install it. fuck that. not defederating gives people an alternative and shows them using the fediverse means they don’t miss out on anything regardless of platform.

    if I want to access threads content and I can do it using my existing fed account without installing their app and giving them access to my heartrate, microphone and bowel moton stats then frankly that’s a win for us.

    Adanisi ,
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    Maybe a separate fediverse instance defederated from the rest of them, and the rest of them defederated from Facebook, would be a better way to go about it, if we really must connect to them. Cut them off from the main fediverse, but still interact outside their platform.

    TheKingBee ,
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    Here’s my problem/concern have you read their privacy policy? I want no part of that, would being federated with them mean that they get to siphon up all of my data too? If so I don’t think the defederating goes far enough…

    dfyx OP ,
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    They can siphon your data no matter what you do. As I’ve said in other comments, everything on the internet has been crawled and scraped for literal decades. This post is already indexed by a bunch of different search engines and most likely by some other scrapers that harvest our data for AI or ad profiles. And you can do nothing about it without hurting your legitimate audience. Nothing at all. There’s robots.txt as a mechanism to tell a crawler what it should or shouldn’t index but that’s just asking nicely (mostly to prevent search engines from indexing pages that don’t contain actual content). You could in theory block certain IP ranges or user agents but those change faster than you can identify them. This dilemma is the whole reason why Twitter implemented rate limiting. They wanted to protect their stuff from scrapers. See where it got them.

    Most important rule of the internet: if you don’t want something archived forever, don’t post it!

    br0da ,
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    The whole point for me moving to the Fediverse was to get away from companies\platforms like FB\IG,and Twitter. Federate all you want with Meta I just hope there’s a running list of which instances does and doesn’t federate with meta so I can join the latter. Not sure why people are so hot on looking at pictures of people’s ugly kids on 2 platforms.

    dfyx OP ,
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    See, that’s the nice thing about a federated solution. I can use my personal instance that federates with Mata and you can use one that doesn’t and we can both be happy and still talk to each other. Being able to pick an instance that suits your preferences is the biggest selling point of the fediverse.

    PeleSpirit ,

    I think I understand what you’re trying to do here, Meta connecting to the fediverse and being blocked from a bunch of instances would be confusing to new users. For instance, if you’re following a bunch of people at Instagram and Facebook and bring over those people to Threads, if they can’t see everyone because they’re blocked, that would be bad for meta. I say keep them out and the more instances that block meta, the better.

    artair ,
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    This is why I use a paid host for Mastodon. Six bucks a month gets me my own instance with a custom domain and full admin rights.

    There are three of us on said instance, and only two of us are active. It’s easier to build a consensus that way. Absolutely none of us want to federate with anything Meta/Facebook. I preemptively blocked threads.net yesterday. To quote Khan Noonien-Singh:

    “Let them eat static.”

    br0da ,
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    Very nice!

    br0da ,
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    Which host are you using btw? If you don’t mind sharing that is.

    artair ,
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    I use masto.host for my instance. They even give you a web GUI for all the settings. Makes hosting so much easier!

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