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masimatutu , en-gb

Default instance blocks should largely replace defederation

Since what content users might want to see is quite unlikely to match which servers the admins tolerate, choosing instance on the Fediverse can be quite complicated, which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.

For this reason, and simply that the Fediverse is stronger united, I believe defederation should ideally be reserved for illegal content and extreme cases. If Fediverse platforms would allow instances to simply block the rest for users by default, the user experience would be the same, unless they decide otherwise.

@fediverse

dylanTheDeveloper , (edited )
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

It already is, you just have to convince the server owner whats ‘extreme’ or not. Some servers hate liberals, others hate the right, some are followers of the windmill party and others would get you on a watchlist.

And the more mundane stuff like having porn and gore posts not tagged as NSFW will get your instance defederated.

What we actually need is better mod tools

Anticorp ,

I would love to see more middle of the road, non-extremist content. It seems that every instance is all the way left, falling off the chart, and then like 3 instances are falling off the other side of the chart, and defederated everywhere.

masimatutu , en-gb

Mastodon has the responsibility to promote diversity in the Fediverse

I love the Threadiverse. Compared to the microblogging Fediverse’s sea of random thoughts, Lemmy and kbin are so much easier to navigate with the options to sort posts by subscribed, from local instances or everything federated. You can also sort by individual community, and then there are the countless ways to order the posts and comments (which are stored neatly under the main post, by the way). That people can more easily find the right discussions and see where they can contribute also means that the discussions tend to be more focused and productive than elsewhere. Decentralisation also makes a lot of sense, since it is built around different communities. All that’s needed is users.

Things were going quite well for a while when Reddit killed third-party apps, prompting many to leave and find the Threadiverse. However, it is quite difficult to entertain a crowd that has grown accustomed to a constant bombardment of dopamine-inducing or interesting content by tens of millions of users, if you only have a couple hundred thousand people. This is causing some to leave, which of course increases this effect. The active users have more than halved since July, according to FediDB. The mood is also becoming more tense. Maybe the lack of engagement drives some to cause it through hostility, I’m not quite sure. Either way, the Threadiverse becoming a less enjoyable place to be, which is quite sad considering how promising it is.

But what is really frustrating is that we could easily have that userbase. The entire Fediverse has over ten million users, and many Mastodonians clearly want to engage in group-based discussion, looking at Guppe groups. The focused discussions should also be quite attractive. Technically we are federated, so why do Mastodonians interact so little with the Threadiverse? The main reason is that Mastodon simply doesn’t federate post content. I really can’t see why the platform that federates entire Wordpress blogs refuses to federate thread content just because it has a title, and instead just replaces the body with a link to the post. Very unhelpful.

The same goes with PeerTube. There are plenty of videos on there that I am quite sure a lot of Mastodonians would appreciate, yet both views and likes there stay consistently in the tens. Yes, Mastodon’s web interface has a local video player, but in most clients it is the same link shenanigans, may may partly explain the small amount of engagement. This is also quite sad, because Google’s YouTube is one of the worst social network monopolies out there, if not the worst.

And I know some might say that Mastodon is a microblogging platform and that it makes sense only to have microblogging content, but the problem is that Mastodon is the dominant platform on the Fediverse, its users making up close to 80% of all Fedizens. It has gone so far that several Friendica and Hubzilla users have been complaining about complaints from Mastodonians that their posts do not live up to Mastodon customs, and of course, that people frequently use “Mastodon” to refer to the entire Fediverse. This, of course, goes entirely against the idea of the Fediverse, that many diverse platforms live in harmony with and awareness of each other.

The very least that Mastodon could do is to support the content of other platforms. Then I’d wish that they’d improve discoverability, by for instance adding a videos tab in the explore section, improving federation of favourites since it is the dominant sorting mechanism on many other platforms, and making a clear distinction between people (@person) and groups (!group), but I know that that is quite much to ask.

P.S. @feditips , @FediFollows , I know that you are reluctant to promote Lemmy and its communities because of the ideology of its founders, but the fact is firstly that it’s open source and there aren't any individual people who control the entire project, and that the software itself is very apolitical. In fact, most Lemmy users both oppose and are on instances that have rules against such beliefs, so I highly encourage you to at least help raise awareness on the communities. Then, of course, there’s kbin, which isn’t associated with any extremism at all. As a bonus, it has much better integration with the microblogging Fediverse, but it is a lot smaller and younger, and still very much under development.

Anyways, that was a ramble. Thanks for hearing me out.

Die4Ever ,

The term Threadiverse has nothing to do with Meta’s Threads platform, I think the term is actually older than Meta’s announcement. The Threadiverse refers to the platforms that organize things into threads similar to Reddit or forums, right now this mainly means Lemmy and Kbin

Franzia ,

I find mastodon boring and I just think people who wanna use defederated twitter are different and more common than people who wanna use defederated reddit. Peertube though, now that is a compelling argument.

ajsadauskas ,
@ajsadauskas@aus.social avatar

With BlueSky moving towards finally opening up federation, I'm interested in how people feel about it?

Would you be open to the idea of Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, and other Fediverse platforms adopting the AT protocol in order to federate with it?

If those technical hurdles could be overcome, would you support your instance federating with BlueSky?

Does the same go for other commercially-owned platforms, such as Threads and Tumblr?

@fediverse

tess ,
@tess@mastodon.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fediverse
...on the other hand, isekai-ing ten thousand German FOSS reply guys into the World of Shitposting and Discourse* would result in some entertaining fireworks, so who's to say?

  • Oops I accidentally a Homestuck reference (and I don't even like Homestuck). Clearly the platform I spend too much time on isn't fedi or bsky - it's Tumblr.
weyoun6 ,
@weyoun6@kolektiva.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fediverse

Mo' protocols mo' problems.

What does the AT protocol offer software already using ActivityPub?

RookieNerd ,
@RookieNerd@hachyderm.io avatar

@fediverse Let's face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.

SamXavia ,
@SamXavia@kbin.run avatar

@RookieNerd I think most instances have there place when it comes to what users may want there user experience to be like;
Mastodon - a more Twitter / X like experience where you can microblog
PixelFed - a more Instagram like experience where you can share Images without the META data collection
Lemmy - more towards a Reddit like experience
ext.
The good part of the Fediverse is that we can join together through different parts and interact from our own instances (including ones we run ourselves). The main reasons people seem to not want to move over is because they are used to the social media they are already one, the main people they follow don't want to move across and Instances are somewhat confusing at first.

My thoughts are that if META does actually make Threads federate then it will not only open people's mind a bit more when it comes to the Fediverse but maybe other social media's will follow including METAs Instagram and Facebook making it so you no longer have to worry if you are on 'X' website / app instead you just ask for there username and you can chat and see there posts.

root_beer ,
@root_beer@convo.casa avatar

@RookieNerd @fediverse @SamXavia

The specific use case is why I think a reliable, independent review of each is useful.

What differentiates these Lemmy clients:

There are almost as many clients for each of , , , and the rest of the , for a single platform.
Switch platforms, and discover a plethora of other clients.

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

This happened quickly…Lemmy is now the second biggest platform next to mastodon!?!

https://fedidb.org/software

@fediverse
@fediversenews

liaizon ,
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

"My long-term vision for RedReader is to restructure the app to more easily support other sites, including Lemmy" -RedReader

RedReader is a Reddit app with over 100k downloads on the Google Play store

"I think it would be cool to work with some kind of "open forum protocol" which would allow a variety of websites and apps to interoperate with each other through a uniform API."

https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial

[ @fediverse]

fediversereport ,
@fediversereport@mastodon.social avatar

Last Week in the Fediverse - ep 23 - An overview of what happened in the fediverse last week

  • Background readings on the
  • News on the threadiverse; new apps in development, custom styles, and more
  • Launch of the spreadmastodon.org website
  • Flickr is “definitely still considering” adding ActivityPub support

@fediverse] Lemmy group]

Read it all at: https://fediversereport.com/the-roundup-episode-23/

deadsuperhero ,
@deadsuperhero@lemmy.ml avatar

Should be unpinned now.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thank you!

liaizon ,
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

What is a Fediverse Galaxy?

As more and more instances are providing multiple services under the same management, we need a term to talk about this type of arrangement. A Fediverse Galaxy is a collection of federated software that is provided by the same admin or collective.

@fediverse Lemmy group]

liaizon OP ,
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

@christian @fediverse @stux I am not sure what exactly you are questioning? just that some admins have more then one mastodon instance?

christian ,
@christian@suma-ev.social avatar

@liaizon

I'm not questioning anything. I'm just wondering if "galaxy" is the same thing in the Fediverse as "relay family" is in the Tor world.

@fediverse @stux

osma ,
@osma@mas.to avatar

The Big Social score so far:

  • Twitter: burning
  • Reddit: detonated a bomb under itself
  • Meta: rumored to join with a new app
  • YouTube: videos were always 2nd to "native" ones on the other networks, but they could trivially open an firehose (and maintain their preroll ads while doing so)
  • rest of Google: never found organic success and don't have a bet in the game apart from wanting to index everything

No predictions here, just stating the obvious. @fediverse

mrmanager ,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

I don’t want meta in my fediverse :/

They will grab all non tech users and put them in their walled garden.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. No, we don’t want that, and we definitely don’t want them slurping Fediverse data!

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Fediverse hot takes:

  1. The only true client is the browser.

  2. Microblogging be damned.

  3. it’s the instances/servers that are federated, not the users (ie us) … and damn that too.

@fediverse

maegul OP ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar
Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Voyager.app for life. Screw the browser.

JackFromWisconsin ,
@JackFromWisconsin@wikis.world avatar

I love that I'm seeing more and more posts to Lemmy from Mastodon.
This one feature finally ties Lemmy in with the rest of the fediverse by providing the lacking feature: making top level posts. Lemmy (along with friendica!) will lead the way in making "groups" and forums in the fediverse, accessible from any platform you choose.
@fediverse

anders ,

@JackFromWisconsin indeed! great to see Lemmy improving its compatibility

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