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Are attention spans actually shortening?

So a view I see a lot nowadays is that attention spans are getting shorter, especially when it comes to younger generations. And the growing success of short form content on Tiktok, Youtube and Twitter for example seems to support this claim. I have a friend in their early 20s who regularly checks their phone (sometimes scrolling Tiktok content) as we’re watching a film. And an older colleague recently was pleased to see me reading a book, because he felt that anyone my age and younger was less likely to want to invest the time in reading.

But is this actually true on the whole? Does social media like Tiktok really mould our interests and alter our attention? In some respects I can see how it could change our expectations. If we’ve come to expect a webpage to load in seconds, it can be frustrating when we have to wait minutes. But to someone that was raised with dial-up, perhaps that wouldn’t be as much of an issue. In the same way, if a piece of media doesn’t capture someone in the first few minutes they may be more inclined to lose focus because they’re so used to quick dopamine hits from short form content. Alternatively, maybe this whole argument is just a ‘kids these days’ fallacy. Obviously there are plenty of young adults that buck this trend.

Thisfox ,

As a teacher: Essays written in exam conditions have become shorter over time. The exam is not shorter in length. A successful art, history, or English HSC exam would be completed with 6, 8 or 12 pages or more in the 1990s, and now likely has half those pages. Still 1.5 or 2 hours or three hours long, as it was back in the 90s.

Maths? “Brain breaks” are in vogue. 20 years ago, a high level senior student (age 16-18) would be expected to do calculus for a two hour “double” lesson. Now if they work on calculus for half an hour, they expect to have a ten minute break and start work again. Does this make the student more productive? No, they complete less pages of the same textbook. Newer textbooks, correspondingly, have far less physical work in them than textbooks written 20 years ago.

The “non academic” track? There are less apprenticeships available, and students get rejected from the few that exist. 40 years ago the NSW trains had 200 apprenticeships a year. Now they have four a year. We have had apprentices sent back to us two weeks in with the (fail level) complaint “won’t put his phone away.” The teen is then put back in the academic track, as education opportunities are compulsory, and they learn nothing as the accusation is true.

Yes, with this evidence, you might be right about this lot.

OmegaMouse OP ,
@OmegaMouse@feddit.uk avatar

Thanks for this perspective. I wonder if a lot of this isn’t so much an issue with attention span, but more a reluctance to put the work in?

That said, it does sound like it’s the environment itself that’s causing it. If the schools are encouraging ‘brain breaks’, I assume there’s good reason behind it? Does that improve learning/retention?

Thisfox ,

I suslect one of the reasons brain breaks are happening is that it’s nice to have a break as a teacher, too.If it does help retention, it isn’t noticeable, but it does help with your relationship with the students, so there’s that in its favour. I don’t mind about the brain breaks, but the drills and practice were a tried and true method for hundreds of years for a reason; They work, and lead to more output and focus long term. Self motivation is a great skill to have for any future endeavour, even if your job is not related to maths, or biology, or art, or whatever.

One of the activities students always do is “past papers”, completing the examination material from historical exams to practice for the real thing. Even the students have pointed out to me the difficulty of the papers has eased in the last twenty years, and the marking rubrics are more forgiving than they were.

HurlingDurling ,

I can’t comment outside of personal experience, but I noticed my retention has gotten incredibly short. I have this little slab constantly calling for my attention and won’t let me focus on anything for a long period of time. Then, because of the convenience of storing everything electronically and having it in that same little slab, I have noticed that I can’t really remember much. However, as of late, I have taken up journaling and writing everything down with pen and paper, and this has allowed me to remember and focus better on things.

I have heard that because writing is slower than typing things, it gives more time for our brains to memorize them. Also, I have turned off all notifications and left all social networks, and I can feel more engaged in whatever is going on in my real life.

Shamefortheshameless ,

I can only speak for myself, and am not a teen, but I can tell you I used to be able to, but can no longer: hear a person’s phone number once and memorize it, remember 4-5 directional turns without writing it down, watch a 2 hour movie I’m not enthralled with, stare at traffic or people walking by and not be upset I’m wasting my time.

I think it’s more the access to knowledge and productivity that has changed our society’s concept of what needs to be remembered or what we should spend our thought on, than it is a generational neuro-difference.

Phen ,

For me the only thing that changed is that I now have options. As a teenager I could watch movies I had no interest in, or play some story heavy rpg game in Japanese or many other things I don’t do anymore, but back then the alternative was watching some ice cubes melt. Today I don’t do those things because I can do other stuff that appeal to me more.

Devi ,

I remember when I was a kid they'd discuss teens as the "MTV generation", kids who didn't really watch TV, they just watched music videos, and even then there was scrolling news down the bottom and boxes would pop up on the side showing different things. They said kids had attention spans of 12 seconds and it would cause massive issues with finding work and being productive as adults.

I'm in my 30's now and I've heard the same thing about every generation since.

It seems that the real issue is that teenagers have short attention spans and adults have amnesia.

ArcaneSlime ,

Tl;dr

Chev ,

I don’t know anything about it from a scientific ground but I know about myself. I am what ai consum. I’m also a big fan of boredom because it activates creativity. The more I leave my phone in my pocket when I’ve got nothing to do, the more creative I get. I believe that this also plays into having longer attention spans. But not completly sure how. Maybe somebody else has an idea?

Ruby_Hoshino ,
@Ruby_Hoshino@lemmy.world avatar

No

bradorsomething ,

What?

Ruby_Hoshino ,
@Ruby_Hoshino@lemmy.world avatar

Attention spans aren’t shorting

TheGreenGolem ,

Come again? I wasn’t listening.

Jimmycrackcrack ,

TL;DR

Franzia ,

It’s genuinely more effective in today’s society to skim read and give up if the content isn’t good. There is so much time wasting bullshit, misinformation, ads, and scams put in front of us. But we don’t have a great defense mechanism, so our attention spans have suffered alongside the quickening of our skepticism response.

StudioLE ,

I think the question is flawed and so are the responses. You all wrote far too much so I cba to read

Lauchs ,

There’s a great book that covers this called The Shallows. Basically, they argue yes. Internet is designed in such a way to keep you clicking and scrolling. As people have used internet devices while their brains are forming we are likely shaping those brains to a more distractible form.

Jeom ,
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i remember Michael Stevens saying in an interview with Anthony Padilla that the subway surfers gameplay concept isnt really new and we’ve been doing the same thing for ages, rather than subway surfers while listening to some bot read reddit posts, people were listening to their friends while looking at birds or animals at a zoo, or even getting heavily intoxicated to help converse with your friends.

and people have said that people are getting dumber but i think theyre just young let them grow up then compare. we have been laughing at stupid ass jokes, shitty songs and toilet humour since the beginning of time.

people from the 13th century might be saying that we’re lazy for not making our clothes by and settling for an inferior product made by machines, but in the grand scheme, does it really matter that much?

MrMcGasion ,

When my mom was a kid, her grandpa would often watch/listen to the TV, while listening to the radio, and watch out the window and announce who was driving down the road in front of their farm by recognizing their vehicles. Nobody considered it brain rot, his family considered it a skill he had.

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  • raubarno ,

    Yes. I would say, not ‘learn’ a skill but ‘grasp’ a skill, though.

    intensely_human ,

    What makes you think language has improved to the point where 10 minutes of reading now conveys the same amount of info as 1 hour of reading in 1980?

    Outtatime ,
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    I can’t stand tiktok, Instagram or any of those short video sites.

    I still watch hour long YouTube videos of dudes working on cars and documentaries talking about the most random things you can imagine.

    People are getting dumber and their attention span sucks

    Cort ,

    Every 30 days I have to hide YouTube shorts because if I don’t I’ll get sucked into a hole until 3 in the morning without even realizing it.

    I still watch long form content, but man are those shorts addictive.

    Wisely , (edited )

    How does this work? You watch 100’s of ~10 second videos in a row for hours? Trying to understand because this seems to be a common thing these days.

    I have never tried tiktok and only saw some YouTube shorts. I see one or two and it annoys me because it’s clipped badly, gives bad information, or just shows something meaningless. Random loud music. The same video keeps playing on a loop as I try to think.

    Even if it was great content, my brain just couldn’t stay focused beyond a couple videos. The constant changes to a new video would be exhausting for me. There’s also no time to think about what you just saw.

    Rai ,

    YouTube shorts makes me angry. I can’t watch a single one of them, much less get “sucked in” to them. Interface is shit, no scrubbing, vertical, fuck it.

    Wisely ,

    Yes I forgot about the vertical too. I guess it’s because the video isn’t worth the effort to turn the phone horizontal.

    KaiReeve ,

    Mine certainly is.

    If you want to compare your attention span to what it once was, try watching older media. The wife and I were watching the walking dead and I was getting bored and that’s only 10 years old. Try watching 2001: A Space Odyssey without any distractions. It’s torture.

    can ,

    Did you try watching a good show though?

    Critical_Insight ,

    The Walking Dead was a decent show when it started, but it went off the rails pretty quickly. Many hated the second season, especially, but personally, I prefer this slower-paced storytelling. In fact, the thing I don’t like in the new episodes is how they’re filled with action and unnecessary combat scenes, probably to hold onto the younger generation without an attention span.

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    Ok well 2001 was kind of an outlier… you’re not wrong. It was slow when I watched it in the 90s lol.

    But, watch something like The Maltese Falcon. Which I did recently.

    I had no issue following. It didn’t plod along in my view (of course I’m middle aged and don’t do tiktok). But it also wasn’t rapid fire constant clamor. There was space to absorb and reflect as the story evolved. And you need that space because it’s mentally challenging.

    One thing that hit hard is how it is a good, interesting story above all else. Definitely gives theater vibes and made me realize how hollow a lot of movies are.

    Anyway. There are lots of examples from the 60s and 70s that are slower paced and a lot less busy and chaotic than modern films for sure.

    prole ,

    Yeah but there are also modern films and TV shows that could be considered “slow” and are fantastic. There’s more media in general, and a larger portion is definitely catered to short attention spans, but there’s still some great, “slow”, shit.

    OmegaMouse OP ,
    @OmegaMouse@feddit.uk avatar

    An older film I really recommend is Twelve Angry Men. No special effects or camera work. Just twelve jurors in a room discussing a murder case - and I was hooked throughout! Perfectly paced.

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    I’ve been meaning to watch that one.

    Rai ,

    2001 is fucking stellar and I can easily watch it all in one sitting. It’s a banger. I’m mid30s though and also don’t do social media, just forums.

    “Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles”… I want to know how many kids can get through that these days.

    prole ,

    That’s a bummer. There are so many great older films out there that you’re missing out on. Some of the best media ever created.

    skybreaker ,
    @skybreaker@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, I don’t know about you, but I’ll still sit down to a marathon of LOTR extended edition. So, mine is maybe about the same as 20 years ago. Maybe not though because LOTR could be an exception because it’s the GOAT.

    KaiReeve ,

    Oh, man, LotR is the exception to the rule. I can definitely still enjoy a 12 hour journey to Mordor.

    Angry_Maple ,
    @Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Tbh I found the walking dead kind of boring after the first season. There is only so much you can do in a very specific setting before you start falling into a lot of tropes. It got to a point where I started paying too much attention to the wrong things. For example, if I was in a zombified world, I don’t think that staying clean shaven from neck to toe would be a priority lol.

    No hate to anyone who enjoys it though, you do you. I’m almost certain that I enjoy something that you find boring.

    newIdentity , (edited )

    And the growing success of short form content on Tiktok, Youtube and Twitter for example seems to support this claim.

    You can’t really make a conclusion from this. Maybe our short attention span is the reason short form content is so popular.

    I guess it’s not our attention span declining, but just that we are not used to waiting or getting bored.

    ChairmanMeow ,
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    I noticed my capability to keep my attention on a single subject dramatically increased after Reddit shit the bed and killed 3rd party apps, making me effectively quit social media for a month or two.

    I should also really drop Lemmy as well, as much as it is fun it is constantly nagging my brain for attention. It’s better than Reddit imo, but short-form content really does make you less able to keep your mind focused. After all, a distraction is just a couple taps away…

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