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Is it me, or the hive mind mentality has come over here as well?

I’ve posted some controversial stuff, and I understand why I would be getting down voted for that. But I see some of my posts and comments are in the negatives for seemingly no reason at all? I don’t really care about the karma because I can’t see it anyway, but I’m worried that comments and posts here are gonna get downvoted and dismissed without further consideration solely because of the negative score, like what would happen on reddit. I suspect someone, a troll, a bot, or a misclick downvoted my comment or post and people just followed along downvoting in turn. It’s either that, or I genuinely said something bad but I can’t figure for the life of me that it is indeed bad. My prime example is my support post for commenting under certain posts, why did that get the downvotes? And I see this kind of thing sometimes on other people’s comments as well, and I’m baffled, is it me who can’t understand why something is bad, or hive mind came here too?

EDIT: it seems i wasn’t clear enough. a) I’m not worried about getting the actual downvotes. I’m worried about downvotes stopping to be a tool to gauge content. b) I’m not worried about controversial opinions’ downvotes, I already said I’m not surprised I got downvoted there. I was talking about totally mundane posts, like that one support post. c) I’m not talking about people simply disagreeing, I’m talking about people immediately disregarding a post because of the downvote count. it’s not correct to say this doesn’t happen, it totally does and… how am I supposed to prove that? all it takes on reddit is see a comment on 0 for no reason and see it quickly drop to -5

Andiloor ,

Sometimes, hypothetically, you post cringe. It’s ok, I post cringe sometimes too

kat ,
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I agree that the downvotes on your posts in the Jerboa community are rather strange. My theory is that people who downvote your more controversial stuff subsequently go through your whole profile and just downvote everything regardless of content.

bernieecclestoned ,

I think the Jerboa ones are for asking questions that have been asked multiple times before

hsl ,
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My experience on Lemmy has been greatly improved by turning off downvotes. It’s not worth the mental energy.

howrar ,

Unfortunately, turning off downvotes for yourself does not turn it off for others. You’ll get little to no discussion if no one sees your comment.

hsl ,
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Right - but then I don’t spend the mental energy thinking about the score. I leave my comment and then move on.

makingStuffForFun , (edited )
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It’s changed in a matter of a week or so. I can’t even believe the drop in quality contribution. It’s actually made me upset. I was so excited, with such sound discourse. But I’m just seeing:

This. What he said. This is the way.

Etc.

Very. Very. Disappointed.

Levsgetso ,

I definitely agree. In just a matter of days Lemmy has fallen to almost Reddit-like quality and I don’t see what could have caused it, there wasn’t a huge spike in users. It’s really weird

makingStuffForFun ,
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I was going to say days, but felt it was just me. Literally in days, the shitposts have started. What a shame.

dragnucs ,

Shitposts are more appreciated than quality posts.

freamon ,

There was an increase in users when the Sync app went live (a few days ago). So, absent of any other evidence, I’m blaming them.

paradiso ,

I know for a fact that some nefarious users are employing bots to mass downvote certain accounts.

ShrimpsIsBugs ,

Yes because this isn’t a reddit phenomenon but a human psychology phenomenon

akulium ,

It would help if everyone tried to interpret other people’s comments in the best possible way, rather than in the worst possible way. It leads to much more interesting discussions.

Unfortunately, that is very unlikely to happen.

vinceman ,

I can’t believe that you’d make this post then be dumb enough to admit to being a /r/PCM user. Thanks fascist, I’m glad you aren’t comfortable here.

CeruleanRuin ,

Give him some slack, he’s young. At least I assume so.

Bread ,

Yes fascism is bad, but you don’t change minds and have productive conversation with aggressive language.

6mementomori OP ,

I see we’re resorting to accusing of fascism again

Sebeck012 ,

I suppose somebody, who didn’t like what you posted at one point, went through the trouble of down voting all your comments/posts regardless if their content.

6mementomori OP ,

might’ve happened, I guess

Blaze ,
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I’m not sure, but I guess there is no real way to address this until we have public downvotes as on Kbin.

pogosort ,

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    Blaze ,
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    Yes, hopefully that comes to Lemmy too

    pogosort ,

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    Blaze ,
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    There is (mostly the issue tracker on Github), but at the moment they have bigger fish to fry

    voidwalker ,
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    Welcome to the internet! We have bots and people who act like bots.

    In all seriousness though, I think that this is just a flaw in the voting system and human behaviour. People like to go with the general concensus instead of thinking for themselves. It feels like people genuinely have difficulty in thinking about things and act as automatons a lot of the time. I also have a suspicion that bots are involved but I don’t have any evidence though it does seem to be a theory that has circulated on the internet for some time.

    haych ,

    100% there’s a hivemind. That’s why I joined lemmy.one, downvotes are disabled to try and stop hivemind downvotings and encourage discussion. On local communities it works well, if only more of the bigger federations disabled them too.

    intensely_human ,

    Somebody targeted me with a mass downvoting of all my comments. It lasted about a day, then they ran out of steam.

    I don’t know if Lemmy has mechanisms to stop it. Probably more difficult with the federated instance.

    It sucks that someone can effectively block your voice with an across-the-board suppression. I had a reddit account — my first one — ruined by such a thing. Back then, in 2010, every comment I made would drop to -2 or -3 immediately and it basically ruined the account, and it didn’t stop.

    So it’s possible. Not sure what you can do to stop it.

    Perhaps as long as Lemmy is incapable of detecting and preventing such patterns, you could use a bot to counteract the bot working against you. Something that detects downvote bombing and counteracts it when it’s happening.

    CeruleanRuin ,

    I spent over a decade on reddit, and I learned that whenever someone did stuff like that, it was because I had struck a chord. And they usually got bored of their harassment pretty quickly when I ignored them.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    I was just talking with chatGPT about this. I know I say controversial things and all but I still try to always be respectful and I don’t say things I don’t believe just to get a reaction. I genuinely try to bring some nuance in the discussions I read but sometimes it truly feels like pissing in the wind. Here you get downvoted for saying you use twitter in a thread about what social media platforms you use and sometimes just stating facts that anyone can google still gets you downvoted.

    vegai ,

    Of course it does. There’s nothing about Lemmy that would prevent that.

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