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queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I was a 5 before my head injury, now I think I’m a 3 if I close my eye and really focus on it.

But also? I’ve liked adult literature the entire time. “Visualization” is overrated.

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

you can visualise better coz of a head injury?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I couldn’t visualize even slightly before! Total aphantasia.

Now if I focus really hard I can briefly see images and memories. It still doesn’t come naturally but the difference is staggering.

moonlight ,

Wow, care to tell more about what that was like? I'm aphantasic, and the idea of suddenly unlocking the ability to visualize is fascinating to me.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s like, sometimes, if I really focus on a memory then I can start to fill in 3D space and contrasts of light/dark and especially faces. I can’t visualize color or really texture, but everything else comes to me. It takes a lot of focus and doesn’t come naturally though!

I still mostly don’t visualize stuff, but sometimes a vision will strike me out-of-the-blue when I’m reminded of it. Weird.

Mothra ,

I’m a 1, a woman if this weighs in your data collection, and the answer is, sometimes but not too often. It really depends on the mood.

It’s the same with movies really, I can fantasize about a million stories in my mind, heck I can be the protagonist but I still enjoy being unable to predict what’s going to happen even on just purely a visual level, not that porn has very intricate plots.

What puts me off most of the time is having to go through the search. I’m very picky and having to see the “wrong” type of content in order to find the “right” can really put me off or sometimes bore me.

1boiledpotato ,

Yes, why?

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

pet theory: porn is for people who can’t fantasise

1boiledpotato ,

I disagree, I can fantasize, but sometimes I’m too lazy

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

One thing I’m learning from this thread is maybe some people can visualise but it takes them effort?

Strange to imagine minds that are not one’s own.

Zahille7 ,

I mean for me it’s like a checklist. But it goes by fast. Like I’ll list the characteristics and then apply them to a kind of “3D model” in my head.

Or I’ll just use past objects from my memory. I’ve seen lots of apples in my life, lol.

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

I mean for me it’s like a checklist. But it goes by fast. Like I’ll list the characteristics and then apply them to a kind of “3D model” in my head.

This sounds familiar.

1boiledpotato ,

I mean, one thing is to imagine an apple, imagining moving people is on a while another level.

shapesandstuff ,

Imo its just a different thing.

Like, 1 or 2 here with sort of moving images like memories, sounds, conversations.

I still listen to interviews despite being able to make up convos in my head. I watch comedy despite being able to make up jokes and funny stories.

I watch movies despite being able to visualise whatever i want.

bysmuth , (edited )

I can imagine an apple like in 1, maybe not with light reflections, but with colors and can rotate it around. But it takes a lot of concentration and effort and i’m never really sure if i’m just conceptualizing it.

I’d like to ask a different question. If you imagine something disgusting (like biting into a rotten, moldy apple) do you feel disgust? I always found it super weird when people feel disgusted at hearing a description of something disgusting and involuntarily imagining it. Meanwhile i have to do a concious effort and even then doesn’t evoke nearly the same response as seeing something real

wuphysics87 ,

Moist.

JokeDeity ,

I think it’s only a small percentage that do this as a norm, but I think if you have a personal connection to the thing being described it can trigger a reaction like that in a much larger group of people. As an example: if you’ve traumatically broken a specific bone you’re more likely to cringe at a story about someone else breaking that bone than a person who’s never broken any bones.

bitfucker ,

I do have a vivid imagination, but when I imagine doing something disgusting voluntarily I can anticipate it. Not so much when I imagine it from hearing or reading a story and in the middle of imagining things.

And009 ,

The disgust can be triggered from memories of foul smell, taste and how their parents reacted even.

Not necessarily a reaction coming from visualing a brown apple. Hope that clear it a bit.

LittleBorat2 ,

People are not all one? Do yo really imagine grey potatoes when someone says apple.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It’s a new fad ailment like the magically disappearing “gluten intolerance” epidemic. People with no personalities substitute these things instead. See also “neurodivergence” etc.

And009 ,

Neurodivergent is a huge spectrum we’re still figuring out. But what do you mean by fad ailment.

Genuinely curious about this scale, I’m sure there would be 4s and 5s but expect majority to be 1 or 4 depending on their context when they hear ‘Apple’

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Maybe start using a word when it has some meaning then.

But what do you mean by fad ailment.

“…like the magically disappearing “gluten intolerance” epidemic. People with no personalities substitute these things instead.”. It’s the height of fashion to have a minor ailment these days. Particularly if it’s an unprovable one like this absurd nonsense.

Hadriscus ,

Thank you. That other guy’s take is very destructive

Arfman ,

I’m still coming to terms of people who don’t think visually, there are people who think in grayscale??

Hawk ,

I guess I do?

Visualizing stuff isn’t quite the outline one, there’s more detail. But thinking of some paintings, I can’t quite recall the colors.

joe_archer ,

I have been diagnosed with aphantasia, so I’m a 5. I have no ability to visualise anything in my head, I was in my 40s before I realised that “minds eye” is not a metaphor for most people.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

So, I worked in a job shop, I would draw things up in CAD and leave everything the default grey texture. then the customer would say “I don’t want it to be grey. I want it [wood, gold, magenta plaid, whatever]” and I would say “Yeah I’m going to make it out of [whatever], I’m just confirming the physical design.” and they would reply “I can’t see it.”

Is that you?

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Porn is easier generally

Toneswirly ,

Im a 1 and I like adult content but i especially like games, 3D and traditional animation. Cause yeah, i can go in the spank bank in my head if I need to, but its never gonna be as fantastical as what an animator can do

flamingo_pinyata ,

Anyone else with a variable place on the scale? I’m 3 normally but can go up to 1 on a limited scope in short bursts with effort.
It’s like my brain has a limited rendering throughput so it’s either a low quality version of the entire object, or a small high quality zoomed in section

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

It varies with mood.

For one: Relaxed body: better visualisation

twice_twotimes ,

I’m 4/5 typically but I will get flashes of level 1 gore. Not randomly or frequently (thankfully), but like if I am reminded of a particular kind of injury I find very distressing I will see it very vividly for just a moment. Not fun.

My dreams are also really vivid.

JokeDeity ,

:( You just made me realize I’m only a 3 and I’m missing out on color mode. This hurts.

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

Dude, I’m a 5 lol

JokeDeity ,

That’s a legitimate nightmare for me. No offense but that feels incredibly dark and bleak, I’m sorry you don’t get to see pictures in your head buddy. 🙁

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

It’s one of those things where I didn’t know until I was in my 30s and figured imagining things meant thinking about them and not actually seeing them.

If you don’t know what it’s like you can’t miss something, ya know? But there are experiments that are trying to give visualisations to aphantasia folk. I’m not sure I’d try it because then I would be missing something.

But, big pro: I can see absolute horrific stuff and I’ll never be able to reimagine it. Describe a vile, nasty car wreck? Can’t see it but I know it’s bad. It has weird benefits

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Just in case you’re worried that you’re locked in – you’re not. Abstain from listening to music, watching TV, and consuming media for a week or two, and watch your brain literally glitter into life to provide you with entertainment.

If you want a more short-term solution: waking up after lack of sufficient sleep, and wandering to the bathroom in half-sleep mode should put you in a state of mind where it’s easy to “hear” a desired song playing in your head.

JokeDeity ,

I assume you responded to the wrong person?

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

no, you hinted that you were stuck as a 3, and I’m telling you that it’s not fixed.

JokeDeity ,

So when I was a child and these things didn’t exist and I wasn’t watching screens, why was it exactly the same? Why has it been the exact same at every stage of my life never weaker nor stronger? I’m just trying to get at the point that you’re full of shit and probably pulled that straight out of your own ass.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

This is a public discussion. I was offering my two cents on how you or others could better their position on visualisation. I don’t quite understand where the hostility is coming from, but you coming back with your own two cents on being hard-wired naturally means that my advice does not apply to you.

Moghul ,

Yes

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

k

Moghul ,

¯_(ツ)_/¯

And009 ,

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Nemo ,

2, and no.

baduhai ,

I’m a 1, but i have to really concentrate. If I’m just thinking quickly then im around a 2 or 3. And yes, I do watch porn.

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

Thanks for the answer

Diabolo96 ,

I probably have one, but only when imagining extremely dangerous situation. Having your brain flash you with a family members falling from the stairs while holding your niece each time they take her to the room above isn’t a pleasant experience.

booty ,
@booty@hexbear.net avatar

I’m 1, and no, not really. But that’s more for ethical reasons.

franzfurdinand ,
@franzfurdinand@lemmy.world avatar

I’m definitely a 1, and generally I don’t. I do, however, really like interactive fiction in both work safe and non work safe contexts. I think I really enjoy being able to visualize it in my mind more than I do watching it.

I’m not sure if it factors into your pet theory, but I’m asexual so the appeal of physical forms is also very lost on me. That’s a different can of worms that I’m happy to open if interested, but I’ll leave it be if not.

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

first you said you enjoy erotic fiction, then you said you’re asexual, am i misunderstanding?

franzfurdinand ,
@franzfurdinand@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, not at all! You’ve got it right.

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