r/Android is now on the Fediverse!

Invishiro , 11 months ago

Welcome! I was subbed over there and looking forward to participating more over here to get the community going!

Devgard , 11 months ago

Update on the postThis post was not made by the mods of @android@lemdro.id. This was made by a fellow fan of r/Android and was not made to siphon/steal users as I and many others have incorrectly assumed, so please don’t attack the mods of @android@lemdro.id as they don’t mean any harm!

faltuuser OP , 11 months ago

Sorry for the late reply (I had not checked Lemmy for a while).

I am just an Android enthusiast and not affiliated with r/Android in any capacity. I genuinely failed to realise that it might be inappropriate and disrespectful towards your community to post this here. I saw the announcement in r/Android and got excited. I should have posted this in other relevent communities.

Apologies for any inconvenience or offense that I may have caused.

Devgard , 11 months ago

It’s all good :)

lightrush , 11 months ago

About time! 🙌

somada2kk , 11 months ago

“Feels like old time already”

books , 11 months ago

So, if I’m understanding correctly… the mods from reddit, started their own instance are are trying to siphon users over to that?

mikestevens , 11 months ago

I don’t think this thread was created by one of them — the creator of this thread isn’t listed as a mod over there.

Like @Devgard I was tempted to lock or delete this thread — I feel like it’s a bit of a shitty thing to post — but it’s pretty clear from the upvotes that most people are excited for it. So… Whatever will be, will be!

stuck_in_the_shell , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Nevermind, my question was already answered itt

calr0x , 11 months ago

No matter how it plays out this is a fucking hero response.

SubNoize , 11 months ago

Mate, correct response. Infighting makes us just as bad as Reddit

ipkpjersi , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Weird, it doesn’t seem to have a subscribe button when I go to it: i.imgur.com/vws3HXX.png

I run into all kinds of oddities with Lemmy.

Also I got a JSON parse error when trying to write this comment here too lol

syl , 11 months ago

The subscribe button is a bug that should be fixed in the next release. As a work around, if you click any other button in that page, the issue should be fixed. Try it.

ipkpjersi , 11 months ago

Yep that worked, thanks!

Mereo , 11 months ago

Meh. For me, this community replaces r/android. No thanks you.

slinky317 , 11 months ago

Yeah, I feel like they’re a little late to the party. They should have had this ready to go once they decided they were going to prolong their protest.

DeadGemini , 11 months ago

You know, you can join both lol

Mereo , 11 months ago

Yeah but… It just feels weird that the Reddit mods came blasting here as if they were the true Android representatives from Google.

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

Same for me! 😁

tourist , 11 months ago

I actually like the idea of a lot of the bigger subs getting their own instances. Makes it easier to organize different topics than the flair by just creating separate communities.

mintiefresh , 11 months ago

Yeah, I like this idea a lot. Just like programming.dev having a bunch of programming related communities.

Also, it’s a bit nice (imo) to not have EVERY community on Lemmy.world.

In any case, I will just follow both.

tourist , 11 months ago

IMHO, Lemmy.world is better for like general discussion communities such as memes, TIL, AMA, earthpics, etc. Anything on that instance will always be “general”. Like, [email protected] would be for like general news and updates but [email protected] (not a real instance but just as an example) could be all about art and culture.

Darkm0d , 11 months ago

This has finally made all of this make a bit more sense with the way that’s worded. I’m still not sure if I’m doing everything right. If the Portland community I see on the instance I’m on is the right one or the o oy one or what the hell. 😂😅

techgearwhips , 11 months ago

Good stuff. Getting to used to using Reddit less and less.

Teppic , 11 months ago

The link for those on kbin: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]

sab , 11 months ago

That's the link for the lemmy.world instance, but the android community seems to have launched their own instance at https://lemdro.id. That one seems to have trouble federating with us.

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

r/android community mods

Fixed.

I think it’s worth linking to this reminder: lemmy.world/post/323205

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

this is the way

Hairyblue , 11 months ago

I was part of that subreddit and welcome them to the Fediverse. But I'm in kbin and my efforts to join them are not working. Hope there is a fix for this soon.

Side question: Is there a website with a list of all interest/communities and its address so we could just search that website and add all the sites we wanted to kbin?

Pamasich , 11 months ago

I know of https://sub.rehab/ for finding fediverse alternatives to subreddits, but no idea about a more generalized use case site.

Armetron , 11 months ago

lemmyverse.net/communitiesOnce you go to the site on the top right there’s an icon of a house click it and set your local instance. From there you’re free to search all communities by name and by instance location and once you click on them it will open using your local instance automatically. From there you simply have to subscribe

Hairyblue , 11 months ago

Thanks, this was very helpful!

sv1sjp , 11 months ago

Nice sumup,I will copy your message to promote it to other people from other services (with credits of you ofc)

ilir , 11 months ago

Lemmy Explorer

throws_lemy , 11 months ago

Good move guys! Enjoy you stay here! 🎉🎉

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

Read the room, it’s not a “good move”, it’s a dick move against [email protected] mods who built this community when r/Android was radio silent about us and never helped. It’s only now after they saw Redditors migrating to Lemmy that they thought they should join too, but only by launching a tiny duplicate community because it hurts their ego to let go of their mod positions and join an already established Android community. What adds insult to injury is that they come here and astroturf as if [email protected] doesn’t exist, hoping to absorb its users.

HidingCat , 11 months ago

Yea, I mean, if you're a mod, go apply to be one at the new community. I think a lot of new communities would welcome the experience the vet mods have.

I modded a country sub and it's not my business to tell the sub where to go and when to go. It's their community, they make the decision themselves.

boopeditandnow , 11 months ago

My impression of Reddit and Reddit mods was that everyone was inexperienced, childlike, and toxic. Lemmy, so far, seems like a more mature audience. I rather like the Reddit subreddits moving to their own community, separate from what has been created in Lemmy already. I do not wish to have the Reddit experience over here. I stopped using Reddit for a reason.

rimlogger , 11 months ago

Can you explain what the controversy is about? So the /r/Android mods tried to start an Android community on the fediverse but other people got to them first? How are they astroturfing?

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

• r/Android never mentioned Lemmy before when they could have made use of the blackout to introduce people to Lemmy;
• never mentioned nor helped !android, and instead preferred to launch a tiny community much later on with the exact same goals and content just so that they can preserve their imaginary mod “powers”;
• waited until !android grew sufficiently big and until the fear of missing out kicked in to come, and then decided to advertise inside this community for there being “finally” an Android community on the Fediverse, still completely gaslighting !android here and on r/Android;
• the low effort advertisement in OP’s post pretending that we’re not already on a much larger and well-established Android community:

Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.

General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android lemdro.id/c/android

rimlogger , 11 months ago

They still get to moderate /r/android. In the old times of discrete message board communities, there were various Android message board communities before everything started coalescing around Reddit. It’s impossible to have an opportunity to moderate every single community. If they want to create their own duplicate community, they are free to do so.

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

they are free to do so

I never denied this, but the way it’s done here is simply disrespectful to !android’s mods and the early members who grew this community together while r/Android mods ignored them.

rimlogger , 11 months ago

Eh, I can see that, but the whole point of the fediverse is to get away from centralization, right? I think it’s a good thing they are promoting their own instance on Lemmy. Only issue is that for right now at least - all of the instances look the same…

AlmightySnoo , 11 months ago

Again what we’re talking about here is mods who were radio silent about building backup communities on Lemmy since the Reddit blackout began, leaving users to figure shit out themselves on Lemmy. Reddit mods sit around and wait. After 3 weeks they see that Lemmy actually succeeded and many big communities got established. Reddit mods with their sense of entitlement then come here and say “okay peasants we appreciate what you did, now that you’re already on the lemmyverse come join us here where we still have our mod powers”.

It has nothing to do with decentralization. It’s the disrespect that they’re openly showing.

rimlogger , 11 months ago

I mean… this sort of attitude you have is kind of self-defeating, no? Like let the /r/Android mods have their own community. These public spats make it confusing for end users. The fediverse doesn’t have to be one big happy family - people have freedom to associate with some communities and not others. Duplication is bound to happen in the early days of this fediverse thing.

ijeff , 11 months ago

Hey there, I just wanted to quickly mention that /r/Android mods didn’t make the submission here and we wouldn’t have! OP seems to have gotten that description from the !android sidebar. In case you’re interested, I posted a bit more context above.

JshKlsn , 11 months ago

Nah. The Android subreddit mods are so toxic. They banned me for preferring a Google Pixel.

Hope their instance fails, to be honest. They can die with Reddit. Power tripping assholes.

Devgard , 11 months ago

In respect to you guys modding the original r/Android, I will leave this up, unlocked. But please, don’t make any more new posts here advertising r/Android V2.

Let the games begin I guess.

lodion , 11 months ago

A classy response to a less than classy move.

ijeff , 11 months ago

We didn’t post this one up! I posted on /r/android shortly before bed and felt it would’ve been in bad taste if we had posted here without discussing with you folks first (I also admittedly slept in, as it’s a holiday today for Canada Day Weekend).

I was actually hoping to reach out to you and Mike to see if you’re interested in joining our mod team on !android. We hope to carry forward the same kind of content philosophy from /r/android prior to our lockdowns, namely discussions and items of collective interest, and avoiding specific, technical support questions that can overtake large communities - and think you both align pretty well with our overall emphasis on keeping it civil and cordial.

For a bit of background on the instance, @cole has been spending quite some time getting lemdro.id setup and optimized for us with a focus on ensuring backend scalability to handle load. The hope was to have an instance where major tech and other subreddits could feel comfortable moving to, without the significant performance issues that could leave folks with bad first impressions (a number of us were around for the waves of migration from Digg to Reddit).

Folks are currently reaching out to their respective mod teams at other large tech subreddits to see if there’s interest in joining Lemmy as well. We also have a number of developers with us exploring opportunities to contribute code improvements and fill gaps within the Lemmy ecosystem (e.g., accessibility improvements, moderator tools, fighting spam), with at least one bug fix already contributed to the Lemmy Github!

If you and Mike are interested, please do reach out! It would be great to have you both. Given Lemmy doesn’t support group PMs or Modmail, let me know if you want to connect somewhere else - I’m on Telegram, Discord, and Element but would be happy to chat anywhere.

mikestevens , 11 months ago

Thanks Jeff, I appreciate the candour and respectful response here. I confess I was initially miffed that somebody would promote a ‘competing’ c here, but I quickly realised I’m not interested in rivalries here. Life’s busy enough as it is!

I think we’re doing pretty well here, but the idea of an instance dedicated to tech is appealing. Happy to chat about it. I’m @mikestevens on Telegram.

Devgard , 11 months ago

Thank you for clarifying and for the consideration, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out.

Regarding my response earlier, I made that reply on the assumption that it were you guys who put this up as a way to take some users back, which taking a step back now, I see that I was very wrong.

I’ll be making a new mod reply to this post, which should clarify any misunderstandings to prevent new people viewing this post from accidentally making the same assumption I have made.

If you need to contact me, shoot me a DM and I can share my Telegram details there :)

lightrush , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Why shouldn’t they do “r/Android V2” posts? Is [email protected] “The Android community”? Are we going to put a non-compete rule in writing or spirit for this community? How tone-deaf would this be in the current Reddit upheaval context? The Fediverse is literally about anti-monopilization. !android just so happens to be one community named “Android” among others on other instances. It also happens to be on the largest instance for now. But a successful, large community doesn’t have to be on the largest instance. That’s not how federation works. Ultimately all of us users check the number of user subs before we subscribe or we just sub to all. Being the first to register this community on this instance isn’t what’s gonna determine that. Whichever “The Android community” becomes on Lemmy, it requires moderation work and likely that will determine the final result. If the /r/Android mods want to tell us where the new version of it is, they can do that in a lot more channels than "!android”, like the various tech or Reddit related communities across the instances. Someone posting this here shouldn’t trigger any special feelings in my opinion as it’s no different or significantly more influential. The battle for creating a Reddit alternative is much bigger one than who’s gonna claim they own this or that piece of land. So I’d welcome every free labor team (mod teams) from Reddit to Lemmy and help them get started even if it means that I have to cede some space. We supported these folks during the blackouts, why should we stop doing so when they decided to migrate? Isn’t that the logical continuation of the same events?

Devgard , 11 months ago

Let me explain my reply.

From my POV, OP’s post initially came across as advertisement, but targeted. Imagine that this community is an Apple store. To me this post seemed as if Samsung or Google had put up an ad directly in the middle of the store, trying to take back some customers.

It was my mistake to assume that OP posting was one of the mods.

I’m 100% ok with both communities co-existing, after all, the more content there is, the more likely the Fediverse will succeed. The only reason I was annoyed at first, was because of an advertisement for a similar community that came out of nowhere, with no notice/warning whatsoever, which in hindsight is completely understandable as this post wasn’t at all made by the mods over at !android.

Tl;dr I just wasn’t comfortable with how the advertisement just appeared, as it seemed like a direct attack to steal people, but I was most definitely wrong with my assumptions. My reply was made solely on the assumption that the mods of !android had posted this, and for that I am sorry.

EnglishMobster , 11 months ago

Doesn't seem to have federated with Kbin just yet. :(

ChrV , 11 months ago

I faced the same issue with other new communities as well and I think it's because of the new lemmy version 0.18? and it'll be fixed

Pamasich , 11 months ago

It doesn't look to be 0.18.0 (.1 is supposed to not have issues anymore iirc, that's why I'm specifying .0).

This command was brought up in regards to the lemmy.ml issue:
curl -I --user-agent "kbinBot v0.1" https://lemmy.ml/u/test

When the lemmy.ml is replaced with any instance running 0.18.0, it'll give an OK response. With lemmy.ml it gives a Forbidden response.

But with lemdro.id I get an Internal Server Error.

The instance claims to be super fast, maybe they forked and optimized the code and broke federation in the process?

Edit: Also they're on 0.18.1 anyway, so yeah, it's not the usual issues.

Hyperreality , 11 months ago

Bit late, but I can confirm it has now. Federation takes a while and kbin was updating stuff.

Xero , 11 months ago

Welcome to the party pal!

KilgoreTheTrout , 11 months ago

Huzzah

Crow , 11 months ago

For android to stay federated with other servers do they need to download all the posts from other servers to their server? I’m not too sure how the fediverse works.

Soullioness , 11 months ago

Not quite. From what I’ve read, I think only text is downloaded, pictures and other media are just links. So not everything needs to be downloaded. Also to trigger/maintain this connection (federation) at least one person from your instance needs to be subscribed.

But you won’t find this community in the search bar because you’re not federated yet. So to trigger the initial federation you’ll need to search for the full URL, the entire URL including “https://” (lemdro.id/c/android) It won’t show up at first, so try again in a few seconds, and sometimes you’ll need to try a lot of times if the instances are running slowly. But eventually your instance will find the other community on the other instance.

But at the time I’m writing this lemdro.id is apparently offline so it won’t work at all right now.

Captain_Nipples , 11 months ago

Crazy. Android was one of, if not THE first, subreddit I subscribed to when I joined Reddit. I was rooting my Galaxy S Edge… Before a shitload of major subreddits were even created… Here we are, almost 12 years later, starting over.

Mr_Blott , 11 months ago

Crazy. I joined Reddit before Android OS even existed 😂