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skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

I use AI all the time. The ability to select text and images from a screenshot or the app switcher is pretty useful for when apps refuse to implement selection themselves. My keyboard also allows me to type much faster than when I try to be as precise as I need to be with unassisted keyboards. Plus, photos captured without image enhancement look terrible (and nothing like what you’re seeing in real life). Firefox translate has also finally hit Android and it’s been pretty good so far. Google Translate has worked offline for a while as well but it’s not as good as normal Google translate I believe.

I don’t use text generation much (although I do use it accidentally now that it’s replaced Assistant) and the photo editing tools are mostly gimmicks to me, though I can see their actual use.

If Google can give me all of this existing stuff while using less battery life because of the NPU, it’d be pretty happy.

Flax_vert ,

I do use text generation whenever I’m doing a simple small bit of coding on hobby projects and want to write a function without navigating pages of stackoverflow for the right syntax. Although even then, I rarely actually am able to use the function without some form of slight adjustments

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

That’s true, but I don’t see that as a problem to be honest. You can’t trust AI to always do the right thing, but it can be useful if the mistakes it does make are easy to spot and correct.

I do want the AI stuff to run locally, though, I don’t trust the AI companies nor the law enforcement agencies that are probably intercepting every bit of data that gets sent to the cloud.

zelnix ,

Selecting text from images has nothing to do with AI and predates the AI hype craze.

blindsight ,

Err… That’s definitively AI.

AI is just any computer algorithm that does a task that would be aimed to require human intelligence.

Identifying text in an image is a non-trivial task, so OCR is a type of AI algorithm.

That said, I assume “AI phones” are probably not using the term AI in the general sense; presumably they just mean that it uses MM-LLMs somehow.

zelnix ,

Wrong. People like you are exactly what is wrong with the overhype in IT

blindsight ,

Just FYI, I’m pretty sure you’re confusing “AI” and “AGI”.

Even enemy behavior is videogames is “AI”, but obviously is not “General Intelligence”.

I think the problem is Hollywood confusing the two terms, so people think AI = Skynet, but that’s not the technical definition in Computer Science.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Not rlly but it might be useful I have this samsung a55 and they didn’t put any galaxy ai stuff on it

skuzz ,

Very little of it runs local. Basically language translation.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Yeah it’s reserved for their flagships

skuzz ,

No, none of them have a lot of local compute, not enough ram or cpu.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Oh

Ilandar ,

Not if I have to give up my privacy to use the AI features, which is currently the case for all or these devices.

skuzz ,

I want a phone that doesn’t blast telemetry everywhere eating my battery. I want a phone that lasts a week between charges. I also want (most) apps to go away and stick to the web so my browser can keep me safe from them.

My favorite e-commerce experience has been at breweries and comedy clubs. Scan QR code, order on web page. Receive SMS to get back to page. Pay on page when done, close tab. Our exchange of information has completed. Maybe they send an email later, maybe not.

Versus apps tracking the status of your colon 24/7.

potentiallynotfelix ,

No, i use a custom rom for most of my phones, so the ai bs is worthless to me. I’d rather just but a 6 or 7 for a cheaper price than an 8 or 9 for a higher price without any significant hardware upgrades.

UnaSolaEstrellaLibre ,

Have S24+. First thing I did was to disable AI anything lol

MummifiedClient5000 ,

I for one would like a local AI assistant of some sort, but I’d also want to be in full control of which of my files, correspondences, locations, contacts, purchases and sex-toys the assistant is aware of on an item to item basis.

Of course that’s not going to happen because fuck my privacy.

Instead we’re going to be forcefed something extremely privacy-invasive, which will really just be a new vehicle for selling stuff to us that we don’t need and eventually it will leak all of the data.

Talaraine ,

Came here to say this. If I had an AI buddy that could do all sorts of stuff for me and talk about history all day with me on long drives while making sure I was perfectly safe and secure and basically be my best artificial friend...

I'd be riding that train.

desktop_user ,

sex-toys

obviously any ai girlfriend should have full control of all of the sextoys

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

you can.make a local ai homeserver and access it remotely from your phone.mahbe even tie it to some automation features idk

MummifiedClient5000 ,

Your average smartphone user definitely can’t. I mght, but I strongly doubt it is worth the effort for now.

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

I will do it some time just for the coolness factor

smeg ,

I’d love to know what an “AI phone” actually means, given that AI is the hottest buzzword to slap on everything since “blockchain”.

Does it mean it just connects to chat gpt? Does it run a chatbot locally? Does it do image generation and deep fakes? Does it monitor all my activity to recommend stuff google now style? Does it create a realistic personality I’ll fall in love with like in the movie “her”? What does it mean‽

MeatStiq ,

Pretty much yes to all of the above.

UlyssesT ,

What does it mean‽

brrrrrrrrrrrr from credulous rubes.

leaky_shower_thought ,

i remember seeing this in a lemmy post somewhere.

catloaf ,

It doesn’t matter. It’s the latest buzzword, so it might induce clueless people to buy.

vrighter ,

it means that it has hardware that can multiply matrices. Just like the gpu they already have can!

lazycouchpotato ,
@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world avatar

On-device stuff? Sure I’ll take it. But not ones that connect online.

BelatedPeacock ,

Was curious so searched it, looks like the two big AI features are AI image editing and Google Gemini, both of which are apps look available on other devices. They can always be disabled, but Pixels are great for GeapheneOS anyways.

An AI asics chip for more efficient local software might have been cool but doesn’t looks like it comes with one.

heygooberman ,
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

From my (small) friends circle, I haven’t heard any of them talk about getting one. However, it’s worth noting that these friends of mine are also not the ones who would buy new smartphones every year. They typically hold onto their phones for a few years and only switch when it seems like the phone isn’t performing as expected (e.g. battery draining too quickly; slowness in software actions; to name a few).

One question I do have is, what happens if you clean install an AOSP like GrapheneOS onto these newer Pixels phones? Does that remove the AI features completely?

CoffeeJunkie ,

Part of the problem is the Pixel phone, I mean that’s been a problem ever since it came out. Sometimes it’s alright but there’s a lot of people that have bought a Pixel & regretted it. My brother in law being one of many. I can say with relative confidence, Google Pixel phones have had so many problems & lack of support, I’m sure everybody reading this knows somebody with Google Pixel buyer’s remorse. Or maybe they are that person.

This is a well-earned reputation. So yeah I can believe people aren’t jumping at the P9.

The AI part is just another reason to not buy a Google Pixel phone.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

I like my Pixel 8 just fine, but I turned Gemini off the minute Google tried to foist it on me. I am also considering just installing Graphene OS instead, which Pixels are pretty good for.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hell no.

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

I want the original Google Now, because it actually worked.

kionite231 ,

You could use DDG or a lot of meta search engines :)

Flax_vert ,

Does that work like Google now?

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

no, but it is what I use.

blackn1ght ,

That and Inbox were peak Google.

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

I held on to Inbox as long as I could, it was simply better.

cron ,

AI Phones or AI laptops are IMO a pure marketing invention.

Suoko ,
@Suoko@feddit.it avatar

Qualcomm laptops has some intriguing locally computed functions

youtu.be/d43wuNl62Fg?si=Oa6PRO8i6FLWke5o&t=300

infeeeee ,

So what? Every laptop has a gpu do you call them gpu laptops? Modern CPUs/SOCs accelerate a lot of things, this is just one more.

Nvidia called the ray tracing gpus RTX. Now all of them has that chip, all of them are called RTX. Same will happen here, in 5 years every cpu will be “AI” and no one will call it that way

cron ,

True, they have some interesting features. But at least if they use Windows ML, these apps can run on any hardware. The only difference is the performance that can be achieved.

They said something in the video you linked that the developers could use a larger model thanks to the performance of the Snapdragon Chip. And with Davinci, they said that the performance with NPU is better than with GPU.

What I’m trying to say is that these things are not a new invention of 2024. NPUs were introduced at least 7 years ago (for ARM CPUs). The Microsoft APIs have been there for three years. The only new thing is the marketing hype around AI.

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