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gravitas_deficiency ,

Oh woah that’s a new development - the dipshit was a local politician, too?

Rekorse , (edited )

Great, another article with a misleading headline, and when you read the article the crucial bit is in the last line, where its mentioned its likely an accidental discharge.

Seems like other news sources are mentioning this more explicitly.

Still shouldnt be waving guns around, or have them at all IMO, but thats no excuse for the poor framing of the article by the author.

Edit: I get it, we call them negligent discharges now. Doesnt change my point. This is not a random fit of murderous rage, its a mishandled firearm.

Can’t talk about how dangerous guns are though right.

JudahBenHur ,

she took a loaded gun out and pointed it at the windshield. it goes off. says it was an accidential discharge. you believe it. you go and type it on the internet.

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Isn’t like one of the basic rules of gin ownership that you only point a gun at someone you are going to kill?

Frozengyro ,

It’s a rule of firearm safety. Unfortunately, in the US you don’t need to follow those or many rules for ownership.

4 rules of firearm safety:

1-treat every firearm as if it’s loaded

2-don’t point your firearm at anything you don’t intend to destroy

3-keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire

4-know your target, backstop, and beyond

Bonus 5- don’t do anything stupid

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes. There is also supposed to be “trigger discipline”. Your finger should be kept to the side and not on the trigger until you intend to shoot.

In the US, in order to drive a scooter (like a Vespa) you need to take a basic motorcycle safety class. No such requirement exists to carry a gun.

Rekorse ,

Absolutely, and I think this person should be charged for it. I don’t think its accurate to say he got out of his truck and immediately decided to shoot them in the face.

This should be a discussion about how easy it is to mishandle a gun. All these people quoting the four rules just haven’t broken them lately, but they have broken them.

Its impossible to be safe around guns when people are involved. Name a place and group of people that is safe with guns and I’ll show you an example of one of them using them incorrectly.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Yeah. This is bullshit. The person took a gun out and pointed it at someone. There’s nothing accidental about that. You’re 100% right, you never point a gun at something/one you don’t intend to shoot. So this soft apologist language of “accidental” doesn’t fly.

Rekorse , (edited )

The victims said it. Like I said, still wrong, but different wrong. Nuance is dead to you people.

Oh and my favorite part is where pointing out details means I’m defending someone else.

The guy should go to prison for it. Does that make you happy?

Crazyslinkz ,

Not she, dude did it, she wasn’t home.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Accidental discharges don’t exist. They are called negligent discharges because guns don’t fire accidentally.

Rekorse ,

Okay sure, I’ll try and remember the new term. The guy did still fuck up but he didnt get out in a homicidal rage and shoot someone in the face before even saying a word.

This is someone mishandling a gun who should know better because of their standing in the community, and I think a short prison term wouldnt be crazy for this.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

You only point guns at things you want to destroy. This was completely avoidable. I knew guys kicked out of the army for negligent discharges that didn’t hit anything. Hitting someone in the face should be a lengthy prison term.

Rekorse ,

I agree, shouldnt matter if he hit him or not. We don’t know he even intended to point the gun at the people in the car though, if he apparently pulls his gun out with his finger wrapped around the trigger, then who’s to say he has a great understanding of what the guns pointing at.

Its far too easy to get a gun in America, its far too easy to mishandle guns, even if you are an expert, which means we are going to continue having this awful stuff happen in huge numbers.

Every poster in this post who has mentioned how to safely use a weapon has broken one of those rules at least once. They just haven’t killed someone yet.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

its far too easy to mishandle guns, even if you are an expert

Every poster in this post who has mentioned how to safely use a weapon has broken one of those rules at least once.

Incorrect. Some of us were professionally trained to handle weapons safely. I’ve never violated a gun handling rule after I learned them. I think you’re projecting a bit.

If you violate the rules of gun handling then you shouldn’t be able to own or handle one.

LotrOrc ,

I normally point a gun at things I don’t intend to shoot as well… That makes total sense

Crazyslinkz ,

How is it misleading? Shot in the face… that did happen.

Rekorse ,

When you leave stuff out, peoples brains fill in the blanks.

What did you expect the story would be about? And how many people in this thread posted stuff that was contradicted by the content of the article.

Do you want a better example of a headline?

Crazyslinkz ,

Yes, please give me an example. Titles are supposed to be short and concise. The teen was shot in the face. The Title doesn’t say it was intentionally or accidentally.

Are you saying that the title should be a paragraph long and include all details in the article?

RoquetteQueen ,
@RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t think anyone outside of the US is going to care at all about this distinction. I know I don’t. Accidentally shooting someone because you’re an idiot with a gun is just another reason why people shouldn’t be allowed to own and carry guns.

some_guy ,

This is not a random fit of murderous rage, its a mishandled firearm.

Drawing a gun is murderous because it suggests an intent to use it. If you don’t draw a gun, you don’t accidentally shoot someone. Words can solve a lot of problems. There’s really no need for violence and assuming it’s needed is flawed logic.

DeceasedPassenger ,

Just to add on to your excellent point here, this is often outlined in many forms of training. Never draw if you don’t intend to use it. Brandishing is the stupidest shit possible.

suburban_hillbilly ,

The number of people in this country that think you’re allowed to murder other people for trespassing is insane. Guy should spend a very long time in jail, the absolute shit-for-brains asshole.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

When you’ve got an arsenal of hammers you’re always looking for nails.

These people are scared of everything.

klisurovi4 ,

I am not justifying the guy’s actions in any way, but the article says the teens hopped the fence and walked around the property looking for the homeowner. I can certainly understand why the woman would feel threatened. It’s not an excuse for anybody to just start shooting, but this feels like an extremely dumb decision on the boys’ part.

suburban_hillbilly ,

The woman who wasn’t there and didn’t shoot them?

Flax_vert ,

The sheriff’s office said the woman, who was not at the home, had called deputies before the shooting to report two trespassers on her property. She also called Metz, who drove over to the home and allegedly blocked the teen’s car from leaving, KUSA reported. Metz then got out of his vehicle and is alleged to have fired one round through the windshield of the teen’s car, the station reported.

He blocked them in the property then shot them in their car

klisurovi4 ,

Yes, that is absolutely insane, I agree, and I am not trying to justify his actions. I just wanted to point out that it’s not like some kids walked up to the door and got shot they were in fact trespassing, so the headline is a bit misleading.

Flax_vert ,

By that logic the postman, politicians canvassing, the neighbour’s child who lost their ball, are all trespassing.

Maalus ,

If someone doesn’t want you on their property, then yes. Hopping a fence is already pretty much blatant trespassing.

ieatpwns ,

Hey man just never cross any property lines without permission for your sake

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Dumb? Maybe, but these were teens. Dumb is obligatory. Misleading headline? No.

Rekorse ,

You didnt finish the article. It says it was an accidental discharge.

diskmaster23 ,

I don’t think waving a gun around and blocking in a car is accidental.

Rekorse ,

The intention is to stop criminals from leaving a crime. Citizens arrests in america are a thing, and some glorify the idea.

In america, guns are tools like forks and knives. Keep em on your hip, forget they are there type of thing. Other countries would grab a bat or stick, americans grab guns. Its intimidation either way but when you mishandle a stick nothing happens.

Mishandling a firearm happens to every firearm owner at least once, and mishandling a firearm can result in unintended death and destruction.

socphoenix ,

In the US (including Colorado), citizens arrests are only legal for felonies. Last I checked hopping a fence isn’t a felony so blocking them in and waving a gun is just a multitude of gun crimes and kidnapping charges even if he didn’t shoot one of them.

JudahBenHur ,

yes, taking out your locked and loaded pistol, pointing it at someone with your finger on the trigger and it going off, in your mind, is an accidental discharge

Rekorse ,

Apparently its called negligent discharge now as ive learned but yes. If you don’t intend to shoot and you shoot, thats what it is.

He should still be charged for that and have to pay for damages and such, but its different than murderous councilman attempts to give teen facelift.

Fermion , (edited )

You never point a gun at something you don’t intend to shoot. There has to be a whole chain of wrong decisions for an accidental discharge to hit someone. If he had accidentally shot the ground, this wouldn’t have made national news.

Rekorse ,

I agree. Still different than what the article title implies happened. And quite a lot of people won’t read the article, or the whole article.

The title implies an enraged or insane councilman shot a random teen in the face on sight.

What actually happened the councilman mishandled his gun and shot someone.

Still awful right? Why would he even have the gun out? But not quite the same thing.

RoquetteQueen ,
@RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works avatar

Personally it makes no difference. This wouldn’t happen if you guys had sane gun laws like the rest of us.

Mesophar ,

If someone got shot, the rest of it is sort of moot, isn’t it? Responding to trespassers by pulling out a gun is insane to begin with, if the trespassers aren’t doing anything else to imply a threat. Blocking the trespassers from leaving the property is bad enough, but to then threaten then with a gun is horrendous in its own right. Pointing that gun at them is insane unless he intended to shoot them.

If he was shooting targets for practice and had a lapse of judgement and accidentally shot someone, sure, that is a different situation. If you knowingly and intentionally point a gun at someone and “accidentally” shoot them, I don’t see how that is any different than intentionally shooting them, other than the timing of when you pull the trigger.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Claims it was an accidental discharge.

Kyatto ,
@Kyatto@leminal.space avatar

Glad to know I can do anything and just say “oopsie” afterwards and you’ll be there to back me up.

Gerudo ,

Rule number one of gun ownership, never point a gun at anything you do not wish to destroy.

This is a rule BECAUSE of accidental discharges.

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