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pennomi , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I seem to recall this also applies to WebKit on iOS. Thank god.

peopleproblems , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

So it won’t force Secure boot anymore?

MisterD ,

LOL

that’s for locking out Linux,

Bishma , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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Uninstall Bing? When did Bing become an installable thing?

TrickDacy ,

They probably mean your browser/search engine settings will actually be respected, instead of what sometimes happens now where you can have set everything to not use bing or edge but still certain MS software will launch a search in edge, using bing.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Wow, that’s a hellscape straight out of 2008.

cley_faye ,

It’s probably not about that, but Bing is actually integrated in the start/search menu by default.

bjoern_tantau , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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Just in time for Windows 10 going out of support. I guess the next time Windows nags my wife about updating to 11 I can tell her to go ahead.

gullible , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I wonder whether Microsoft makes enough money on analytics and ads worldwide, minus Europe, to split off a separate dev team. I hope not, but I think they do… Please choose the easier, objectively better option and just make these a checkbox for everyone, windows.

SimonSaysStuff , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

This is Microsoft… What’s the catch?

macattack ,

I think it only applies to Europe

Contend6248 ,

Most likely, they have “N” versions for some time for EU regulated countries

itprotoday.com/…/what-are-windows-10-n-and-kn-edi…

KrummsHairyBalls ,

Ya, then just install the N version. It’s not some weird region locked thing. If you tell Microsoft you don’t have a product key, you’ll get a list of windows versions you can install, and you just select the N version.

Squizzy ,

They give windows away for free? If you don’t have a key wouldn’t they tell you to buy it?

KrummsHairyBalls ,

Windows put a watermark on your desktop and locks you out of personalization if you don’t pay.

Watermark can be disabled with a simple registry editor change. Or the entirety of windows can just be activated with a single command prompt command.

Even if you’re not into pirating, you can use windows without a key without issues. They honestly don’t care.

Honytawk ,

Their main income is from businesses. They don’t care what an individual user does.

That said, most motherboards already have a license key for Windows attached. Or you can just use a Windows 7 or 8 key you have laying around. I believe they wanted to stop being able to do this, but it still isn’t implemented.

Moneo , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Bless the EU

SeedyOne , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

RCS and this? Seems hell has indeed frozen over in the tech world today.

acutfjg ,

What’s the rcs thing? Is Apple finally going to adopt it?

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

Hey yeah. Funny how I learned about this on a thread about Windows, but whatever!

acutfjg ,

Ha! Good point

abhibeckert , (edited )

Yep, they said a software update is coming next year.

Probably part of their legal appeal to get themselves removed from the Digital Services Act… something they’re a niche player in the messaging services industry… Never mind the fact iMessage has billions of users sending a quarter million messages per second.

acutfjg ,

Wow completely unexpected

sunbeam60 ,

Just Europe, doing Europe things.

Nommer , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I might upgrade now from 10. Imagine giving what consumers want.

brothershamus ,
@brothershamus@kbin.social avatar

Imagine being forced to give what consumers want due to European legislation.

Honytawk ,

Welcome to the American tech industry.

ObviouslyNotBanana , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I just switched to Linux. Get fucked!

demonsword ,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

and that’s the only long-term winning move, because MS shenanigans will never end

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I may have lost my sound card drivers, but at least I’ve not got to put up with windows (don’t worry I’ve got an external soundcard)!

mojo ,

Exactly. All the latest chaos that Microsoft does, you know you’ll be immune and your desktop will be the same for as long as you get bored of it lol.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

My laptop gets the fun experiments, my desktop plays the games

mojo ,

Same except in reverse lol. My laptop is out of date fedora because I’m lazy to update since it’s a youtube/twitch machine pretty much. My desktop gets the bleeding edge + games.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I’m testing stuff on my old ThinkPad!

macattack ,

I’m team Linux as well

set_secret ,

I, really really want to switch to Linux. I duel boot and use Linux for study. but there are some apps I just can’t get around, and have to switch back to Windows for. I ran some cool scripts that stripped Windows of bloat and uninstalled edge and ads, and I have to say. it’s almost as nice as Linux now. runs faster too.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly what finally pushed me was when windows suddenly decided that going to sleep and keeping on sleeping was too much to ask for. Haven’t found anything that doesn’t work on Linux yet, but I mostly play games.

0ddysseus ,

Its a bit of drama but if you have a look at setting up qemu with virtual machine manager its worthwhile.

It makes virtual machines that directly utilize the hardware, meaning you can run your stripped out windows inside a window on your Linux desktop.

Its pretty hard to get your GPU to pass through but if its non-gpu oriented apps you need its perfect. My fixed windows VM boots in about 10 seconds, has next to zero network usage, uses 2 cpus and 4gb of ram, and just runs its couple of little apps no trouble every day

set_secret ,

I’ll check this out ty

DigitalBits ,

You need 2 GPUs (essentially) for GPU passthrough to work correctly. I gave it a go once and it never worked correctly. Absolutely right for non GPU apps though, or with some VM’s, older games.

KrummsHairyBalls ,

Same, but I switched back today. DaVinci Resolve doesn’t support AAC audio on Linux, even on the paid version (literally everything uses AAC audio). The closest thing to any kind of usable photo editor is photopea, and that’s web only.

Linux is just unusable for media creation, unfortunately.

PopOfAfrica ,

I really wish the affinity suite would make a linux version.

KrummsHairyBalls ,

Same. That would help a lot.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Unless your media is made in Blender, then it’s pretty good. Inkscape has been getting nicer, too.

But that’s about it, yeah.

kratoz29 ,

Man I miss Linux, I swear one day I’ll install it on my old Mac, at least as a funny project.

hperrin , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

But will they let you disable tracking and telemetry?

Appoxo ,
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You wanna guess?

hperrin ,

I already know the answer. Windows isn’t the product. We’re the product.

safefel556 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Fake

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Source for it being fake?

seaneoo ,

He’s just being an ass. He commented this on the post about RCS on iPhone

Appoxo ,
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Saw the user in another thread writing the same.
Blocked the user because it pollutes the good quality comments.

Honytawk ,

I don’t know. We need those types of comments just to make the good ones pop out even more.

Kind of like how we need the bad times to enjoy the good times even more.

abobla , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

damn, Europe is wild!

donuts , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

I'm a Linux guy and I don't really care about Windows, but I'm glad to see this happening and every day I thank Europe for being the main entity fighting for regulation of big tech monopolies, because America is really failing.

Appoxo ,
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America is getting paid to do it.
Maybe the FCC is still resisting for now.

abhibeckert ,

The FCC doesn’t have the legal authority to do anything like this.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not sure anymore. Maybe both I guess

That’s what I was talking about: theverge.com/…/fcc-anti-digital-discrimination-pa…

howler ,

Its nuts that during the Obama admin, all anyone cared about was the threat of zero privacy. Now everyone in the US has surrendered to it, because our politicians have sold our digital privacy rights to the tech companies.

Contend6248 ,

If we had actual IT giants in Europe, this would look very different.

I’ve seen how the car industry in Germany only got a slap on the wrist and even got the chance to send out advertisement payed by the government.

I feel like the only reason stuff like this gets pushed so hard is because we try to break the current IT giants until we get our shit together. I’m glad that we do it, but i wouldn’t say we are better than anyone else.

isles ,

Thanks for the honest take, a lot of people get caught up in the idea that if an organization does something that aligns with them, they are good or doing it for the same reasons.

hubobes ,

I mean we have SAP but they are probably not affected by this law.

Minarble ,

SAP

All my homies hate SAP

thehatfox ,
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There is a lot of protectionism at the heart of the EU. They are quite happy to heavily regulate Big Tech when it’s not based in their own market. Unfortunately they don’t have quite the same passion for nurturing the European tech industry as much as stifling the foreign ones.

They are it purely fighting these fights for the greater good, or they wouldn’t also be pushing things like the recent browser certificate debacle.

Lev_Astov ,
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Yeah because dieselgate was a travesty and all companies have a moral obligation to find ways around the idiocy of the US EPA as they actively make our cars more harmful to the environment by writing poorly thought out rules that encourage larger vehicles as well as completely failing to understand how to calculate diesel emissions for vehicles in a sensible manner.

Honytawk ,

Nah, it still would be much harder.

Because the EU exists out of many different countries with each their own government.

To lobby something through you have to bribe the majority of them, instead of just one.

Treczoks ,

I wonder if Windows in Non-EU areas does not have this kind of choice.

Well, does not matter, I use Linux, too.

morrowind OP ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

California is doing okay, all things considered

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

How do you know someone uses Linux?

Don’t worry they’ll tell you

ekky43 ,

Hey hey hey, don’t just go around generalizing. Not all Linux users are like that (but I am, and I use arch BTW).

Like I’m sure we’re bound to find at least ONE Linux user who doesn’t tell.

trolololol ,

That would be mee

Opsi

F04118F ,

I use Linux (one that’s based on Arch btw) Make one guess at:

  • my diet
  • what I think is the best text editor

Seriously, how am I supposed to keep quiet when I find a clearly superior choice? Especially when most people feel a psychological barrier to trying it, that turns out to be not nearly as big as the adcantages.

Karyoplasma ,

at least meat-reduced diet

vim

F04118F ,

Exactly! I use neovim as a full IDE (got started quickly using the nvchad template). And I think you know which “at least meat-reduced” diet is most associated with evangelizing ;)

lntl ,

diet: coffee

editor: vim

:wq

F04118F ,

Points for the editor, but weirdly enough, not a lot of coffee (<1 per day) and I didn’t drink coffee at all before a few weeks ago.

btaf45 ,

what I think is the best text editor

ed?

IAm_A_Complete_Idiot ,

As a Linux user (and ex arch user btw), I’m deeply offended.

pete_the_cat ,

This apparently only applies to Europe, say least for now.

Cannacheques ,

Wait for it. Slow roll outs

Karyoplasma ,

EU is very much a mixed bag. On the one hand, they do this, on the other hand, they tried to ban P2P encryption and microtargetted religious and elderly in resisting countries, feeding them the classic “it’s for the children’s safety” lies.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Though we have to remind ourselves that it’s mainly the EU Commission who does this.

The Supreme Court spoke out against it from the very beginning, the Parliament voted against it, it’s really only the Commission who doesn’t want to understand that EU law applies to them, too.

Quite a few positions in there that need to be held by new people who understand the damn law.

maynarkh ,

they tried to ban P2P encryption

They recently enshrined it as an unalienable human right as a world first.

Cliffmode2000 ,

America is a huge corporation.

lntl ,

America empowers these bozos

s_s ,

I’m one illness or accident from being financially ruined, what do you really expect me to do about it?

Honytawk ,

Start a revolution.

kubica , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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I'm a bit surprised, this time it took them so long I thought they stopped about even pretending.

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