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dumblederp , to news in Autopsy finds boy suffocated in NC wilderness camp death
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Get em Paris.

HurlingDurling , to news in Autopsy finds boy suffocated in NC wilderness camp death
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Fuck parents who think this is ok. Charge the camp, the “councelors”, and the parents of murder.

Your child was born to this world, not built and it’s not your or anyone else’s job to “fix” to match your view of the world.

Cosmonauticus ,

it’s not your or anyone else’s job to “fix” to match your view of the world.

I don’t know. While these camps are horrid I do believe some kids need to be “fixed” due to a multitude of reason out of their control. Mental health issues, abuse, etc. I’d just do it with a lot of family therapy instead of murdering, demeaning, kidnapping, and imprisonment.

HurlingDurling ,
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When I said “your view of the world” that did not mean an actual mental illness. If they have a mental issue, send them to a hospital, not these fucking camps.

girlfreddy , to news in Autopsy finds boy suffocated in NC wilderness camp death
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For those who may need a reminder …

According to the detectives, Trails Carolina protocols dictated that the boy would have to sleep on the floor of the bunkhouse the first night. The records indicate the base layer of it is a heavy plastic that is cut approximately six feet and tied on each end with a string. On top is a sleeping bivy, which is a small tent. One side is collapsed, and the other side is held up with a flex pole. A sleeping bag is inside the bivy. On the zipper of the bivy is a small alarm that goes off when you exit. That device was seized along with other items.

Around midnight, the boy began to experience a panic attack. According to the detectives’ warrants, the two counselors stood along the wall. They told detectives the boy experienced panic and high anxiety but according to the warrants, “didn’t mention if they attempted to assist him.” The counselor did mention to detectives that the boy could exit the bivy at any time, but when he described it to detectives they kept stating, “‘we’ would open or close the bivy.” They claim the boy was checked at midnight, 3 a.m., and 6 a.m. and found dead at 7:45 a.m., and he was cold to the touch and stiff.

wlos.com/…/trails-carolina-death-investigation-la…

lemmy___user , to news in Autopsy finds boy suffocated in NC wilderness camp death

Cool, I get to be the one to link this here:

elan.school

nomous ,

This story is fucked up, when I first read this I got to about chapter 15 before I found out it was all real. That specific “school” only shut down in 2011 after their enrollment finally dropped off. No one in charge ever got in any trouble and presumably they all still in work in related fields.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elan_School

kmartburrito ,

This story is still super vivid in my mind after over a decade and I’m super glad I read it through completely. It’s crazy but really fascinating.

BrotherL0v3 ,

I spent all afternoon reading that comic, having to call it a night on chapter 93. Thanks for the link!

homesweethomeMrL , to news in Autopsy finds boy suffocated in NC wilderness camp death

“The cause of death is asphyxia due to smothering,” the autopsy said. “The manner of death is homicide.”

WBTV is not identifying the boy, who died on his first night at the camp, Trails Carolina.

. . . The Transylvania County Sheriff, who is investigating the boy’s death, has previously said he was waiting for the autopsy to be released before moving forward in his investigation.

Trails Carolina is a camp for troubled teens. WBTV has been investigating the camp since 2021. The February death was the second time a camper had died at the facility in a decade.

Regulators with the N.C. Department of Health and Human Services https://www.wbtv.com/2024/05/17/trails-carolina-license-permanently-revoked-by-ncdhhs/ in May.

(emphasis added)

Cripes.

sunzu ,

a camp for troubled teens

Ahh yes, pedos and other pests love these sort of "orgs"

Great place to get your next victim... nobody gonna believe these kids, they are already so damaged!!!

We are only missing "Christian" in there to make it text book style child abuse.

vxx ,

Those poor children but also parents.

I read the homepage of Trails Carolina and I would almost fall for them even after knowing what they’re up to.

This place sounds like therapy heaven.

girlfreddy , to news in Trails Carolina license permanently revoked by NCDHHS
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Here’s a far more complete article about the child’s death.

wlos.com/…/trails-carolina-death-investigation-la…

solrize , to news in Trails Carolina license permanently revoked by NCDHHS

“CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WBTV) - The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services has revoked Trails Carolina’s license after a 12-year-old boy was found dead in February.”

Could c/news mods please make this kind of summary mandatory? Thanks.

catloaf ,

“Trails Carolina” is one of those “wilderness therapy” camps, for additional context.

HurlingDurling ,
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Jeez we have the carolina trails which is for actual hicking so I was super confused

GiddyGap , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.

Sad truth: Nothing about this will change until the boomers are gone.

TheDeepState , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.

Did they get it?

AutistoMephisto , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.
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Something about this insurer stinks. How long does it take to drop a drug from their coverage, usually? And did they know the twins would need this drug before the mother knew? If that’s the case, then her employer, who was also the insurance provider, had access to her healthcare records. They had access to all her information and likely paid her OB/GYN on the sly to tell them what was going on with the twins while in the womb.

FlavoredButtHair , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.
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The cut coverage of the drug for everybody or just the mom? There’s no reason for the drug to cost this much. They do this on purpose so less lives are saved.

refalo ,

on purpose

How do you know? Wouldn’t more people around mean more money for them?

sparkle ,

One person, or the few people that are born with this rare disease, are probably not likely to net them an average of more than a few hundred thousand over their lifetime, even assuming they make it to adulthood

koavf , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.
Strykker ,

Sarcasm mother fucker, you don’t get it.

koavf ,

There’s no reason to be rude. See Rule 1.

Donkter ,

One of the earliest uses of based is by 4chan users to describe things that were Nazi adjacent or fascist that celebrities and politicians would say and do. It was “based” because the idea is that they were doing the “right” thing even though it was unpopular often doing things like being ok with needless deaths because it also meant it pushed their fascist agenda. I think op is using it ironically in this case like those 4chan cretins use it.

Since then it’s been co-opted as the general Internet meme and that’s how most people know it now.

koavf ,

I only know it as “I approve of this”, not “lol, I don’t approve of this, but I say I am to be hilarious”. This is the danger of adopting this Nazi Internetspeak to be funny.

Soulg ,

Yes but then when someone says <clearly horrible awful thing> is based, it’s blatantly sarcasm

koavf ,

Except when it was on 4chan and it was actual Nazis just being Nazis. So no, not blatantly sarcasm.

Soulg ,

Lol

So many people here talking about 4chan who so obviously have no fucking clue what it’s actually like and just regurgitating this idea that every person, every single thing, every comment is always bad and nazi and the worst possible version of it that it could be. It’s soooo based

koavf ,

No one said that it is all like that, but enough of /b/ is so gross as to taint the reputation of the entire site. Allowing some of the stuff that is on there is enough guilt by association, even if some of the other boards have better discourse.

Fridgeratr ,

It’s a sarcasm

koavf ,

There are already comments claiming this, thanks.

Hootz , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.

May the insurance agency burn down with all employees inside 😊

inclementimmigrant ,

It’s not the employees fault. I know a person who’s an actuary at an insurance company, they fight for each case and every day they’re depressed at how little they can do but they fight for people when and where they can. Honestly it’s a testament to the fact they’re still there and how much they have to compartmentalize every day, well at least until beer thirty rolls around and we used to get into a bitchfest about how shitty the health insurance system is.

Soulg ,

Executives maybe but not the employees.

Hootz ,

There may be collateral damage durring the executive purge, thoese who are complicit may face the AI and it’s wrath.

Joking of course. It’s gonna be fun to see when the AI start taking THEIR jobs though 😂

lagomorphlecture , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.

How can one dose of medicine, literally any medicine, be 2 million dollars? JFC.

Hootz ,

Because capitalism and private healthcare

PopcornTin ,

Cost to develop, govt red tape, number of possible customers, and of course, profit. We’d have to analyze each of these, factors weigh the results, etc.

Or we can skip that and just blame the system.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

These things cost billions to create. Those billions are often (or should be anyway) spread out over the millions of people who can use the drug.

When a drug is a one time cure, for something that is rare, it becomes incredibly difficult to make any money back on that unless the cost is incedibly high, or it’s government subsidized.

That’s why a lot of things we probably could cure aren’t cured yet. It just doesn’t make sense financially to do it. And if they do do it, people like you get angry at them.

This is much less of a problem in a public single payer system, but even then some of those systems don’t cover these kinds of treatments.

nickwitha_k ,

These things cost billions to create. Those billions are often (or should be anyway) spread out over the millions of people who can use the drug.

And the US government funding was equivalent to private industry for 99% of drugs developed this century.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10148199/

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

Okay, so this drug costs 1 million instead of 2 million now assuming they didn’t offer any subsidy because of that, which they probably didn’t.

Edit: just to go further on the topic - if we don’t want crazy prices on these types of cures (low / single use, high research cost) they essentially need to be completely funded by the government with a clause on pricing, or simply owned by the government. But you’re going to have a hard time convincing people to vote for you when you spend 2 billion hoping for a low use cure vs working on something more widespread and impactful, even if it’s the right thing to do.

nickwitha_k ,

It would be easier if it wasn’t illegal for Federal public institutions to hold the intellectual property. As it is, even if the research is 100% tax-payer funded, and conducted exclusively through public institutions, a private company still gets to take ownership of the patent and exclusivity rights. It’s pretty disgusting.

Pretty much this meme: https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/df2ef9db-8f58-4697-8ce8-28779ab3e96d.png

NotMyOldRedditName ,

well thats… fucked.

Fedizen , to news in Two newborn twins need a one-dose treatment that would save their lives: Zolgensma, a $2.1M drug. Insurance (also the mother's employer) cut coverage of the drug the day after they were born.

this is some martin shkrelli shit. Somebody needs to go to jail

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