Tell that to the mods of this community who suggest we use it. Just because it marks your pet site low you’re gonna attack. That is par for the course.
Okay, I’ll make my own site for “factual” checks and say the articles I don’t like are fake.
See the problem here? They literally rated an article as “not trustworthy” and as a justification it said “we never found posting not factual information, but they are Palestinian and that lowers the score”. Fuck this system.
It’s owned by a dude called Dave van Zandt and there’s been plenty of posts on here showcasing their hypocrisy. The fact that “Times of israel” holds a rating above “low credibility” while consistently posting IDF propaganda and using heavily biased language is enough evidence.
Go dig through my comment history if you want to find more examples.
I can’t speak for the rest, but personally I’m downvoting BECAUSE you’re saying that Times of Israel is a good source.
It’s an extremely pro-Netanyahu and anti-Palestinian rag with no credibility with regards to anything to do with Palestinians.
That MBFC rates it highly is probably because MBFC itself is mostly the hobby of one right wing person with huge pro-Israel bias himself. Sure, some of the ratings are by volunteers or paid freelancers (with no real transparency as to who did what), but it’s mostly just a dude named Dave pretending to be an authority on credibility and bias.
The article says the torched car was parked in front of someone’s house. Presumably, SOMETHING happened to escalate into violence. And what was that? Nobody lights a random car on the street by their house on fire for no reason.
Yep. I’m northern Irish, people have been attacked for wearing the wrong football (soccer) shirt in the wrong area. Glasgow’s also known for sectarian violence too. Human beings will do all kinds of shit when they’ve othered someone.
The reason is colonialism, what do you think the settlers are doing in the West Bank exactly?
Like they’re literally recorded saying shit like “If I don’t steal your it (your home), someone else will”
Go to YouTube and you can watch them raid towns, destroy houses, and causes the Palestinians to flee in terror.
Seriously go to YT type in “Israeli Settlers” and spend just 5 minutes of your time today watching countless instances of attacks and shit like this with your own eyes. Its eye opening.
Or I can provide a ridiculous list of news articles of this happening every year for many years if you’d rather read about it.
This is not an individual event. People get beaten and harassed trying to get to Easter service, they refuse checkpoint crossing so people can’t make holy day services, shot people at churches, bombed churches. I mean this is a state based on a single religious superiority, you don’t think they harass and discriminate other religions? Christians don’t have the same rights as other groups, it is a known thing.
They blindly support Israel because they think Israel's existence is necessary to trigger the End Times; they don't give a shit about what actually happens there.
They actively don't care unless it impacts their pilgrimage directly.
They want Jesus to come back, and they think one part of that is that Jews control the holy land.
They are actively harming the world because they truly believe that 1) humans cannot destroy God's creation, so 2) if we get close he'll have to step in and end the world and take them to the heaven that they refused to build here.
Israel isn’t a democracy. They even stopped pretending in 2018 when they passed the Nation-State law and officially became an apartheid state. Parts of the law say:
“The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.”
“The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation.”
It also made Hebrew the official language downgraded Arabic to a language that could be accommodated.
It’s like considering the U.S. a democracy before the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. (America still wasn’t a modern democracy at that point because of Jim Crow laws but at least Native Americans were theoretically considered citizens instead of a separate people who lived in special zones.)
These guys got punished, not for what they did, but for allowing it to be filmed. They’ll get a slap on the wrist and told to do their hate crime more carefully.
Would have been nice if Israel did not steal the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 Palestinian people, having an apartheid state and put millions of Palestinians on starving.
Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes. Threatening to kill innocent Palestinian people If they do not give up their own homes.
Would also have been nice if Israel didn’t kill thousands of Palestinian people (more than 20 000 Palestinian people been murdered and ongoing).
But hey that suppose to be “okay” right because “right to self defense” right?
Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.
Hamas was literally made because of Israel’s atrocities. They were made in 1987 because of all the things Israel did to the Palestinian people from 1948 up to 1987.
EDIT: Added a bit more context and specifics dates.
Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes.
Yeah that’s called the West Bank. That’s not even part of Gaza / where Hamas has control. You’re conflating issues as if I’m a dumbass who doesn’t know what’s going on in that region.
Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.
So do you condone Oct. 7th or not? Both sides can be jackasses. Whataboutism fucking sucks when Republicans do it, I’m not going to tolerate it here either. If both sides suck, then we have other things to do.
But just saying “Oh, these warcrimes are fine but those aren’t” is no way to solve any issue. You wouldn’t be able to solve two 5-year-olds fighting with that kind of nonsense, and it obviously wouldn’t work on adults who are literally launching bombs at each other.
It is the West Bank, does not take away about what is happening. I’m not conflating it, I’m explaining it.
Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis, murdering Palestinian people on a daily basis. Apartheid state.
Israel even said, they wanted to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza apnews.com/…/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-chi…. Not to mention, they called Palestinian people “animals”. I can get that article for you too, if needed.
Again, “do you condone”, it is a nice way of trying to turning around tables isn’t it? I will ask you the same “do you condone Israelis atrocities, warcrimes, stealing land, murdering since 1948 up until now?”
I’m not saying, that one is fine and the other is not. Don’t try to put words into my mouth, that I never wrote or implied.
I’m telling you, before even talking about Hamas warcrimes - Check Israelis warcrimes first. You seem to blame Hamas for everything however the entire blame is Israel’s. It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, apartheid state and kept going on from there.
It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948
That’s a fucking stupid start date.
It all started when the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1917. The breakup of the empire leads to the modern Middle East crisis. Part of the deal from WW1 was Britain’s plan for the former Ottomans. Yes, it involves Israel and Palestine. It also involves a bunch of other things.
Palestine always was under another state. Yes, It was a Muslim Controlled Empire of the past few centuries, but that power doesn’t exist anymore.
Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis
Like all the settlers they removed from Gaza in 2005 and all the soldiers they removed?
This is fucking why Gaza vs West Bank matters dude. Gaza is the side the Israeli’s left and returned. To be attacked from “this side” is a huge deal from the perspective of the greater Palestinians vs Israel conflict… and for those who want peace in this region. Hamas has shattered the peace in a way that seemingly cannot be put back together.
Just 6 months ago, Israel was far more focused on West Bank issues than Gaza. Or have you forgotten? Its like history of the last 15 years is completely missing from your understanding, and you are choosing exceptionally weird dates (wtf? 1948 ain’t even the start of the Israel plan. Why the fuck are you choosing this date historically? Most people would choose Balfour Declaration or some shit).
1948 is a stupid start date for understanding this problem. The Israeli state was promised by the British in 1917, years before the British took over the region of Palestine. Deal with it. Before the founding of Mandatory Palestine of 1920 (which only existed as a piecemeal state the British took over after the Ottoman collapse), Britain already had plans for Israel.
History is a wee bit deeper than you might think it seems. Balfour Declaration is rather significant to the discussion, and your avoidance of the subject is quite telling. The plans for Israeli settlement were laid out nearly three decades before 1948.
To put it more diplomatically, yes, 1948 is a way too late of a starting year if you're seeking to examine the full historical context of the conflict. Jewish immigration into post-Ottoman Palestine started significantly earlier and was explicitly supported by the British during the aftermath of World War I (some limited immigration happened even earlier). It should be noted that Britain's actions here were directly contradictory to promises that they had made to their Arab allies during WWI, when they'd promised the Hashemite family (now the ruling royal family of Jordan, then ruling from Mecca) an Arab state from Mecca to Damascus in exchange for their military assistance against the Ottomans. My general understanding is that most of that immigration was generally legal, in that Jewish immigrants legally purchased land that they moved in to, but a lot of those landowners were Ottomans and their claim to the land can certainly be criticized. At any rate, as the number of Jews increased, tensions quickly emerged, Jews and Arabs rapidly started fighting, both sides commit terrible acts, and the moment the British leave, true war breaks out as all of Israel's neighbors invade, with the Israelis ultimately being successful and roughly establishing the modern borders of the West Bank and Gaza.
I personally would argue that we're long past the point where who started what is a particularly useful question towards finding a path to peace, since both sides have done terrible things and have next to no trust for one another, but if you want to explore the history, you really do need to go back to Ottoman Palestine, the beginnings of Zionism in the late 1800s, and World War I.
For some interesting context, I'd point you to the main image of this article, which shows land in British Palestine that was legally owned by Jews. The vast vast majority of Israel's Jewish population still lives in these same areas. Now again, most of this land was purchased from non-Palestinian land owners who had acquired it during the Ottoman era, and you can certainly criticize that as unfair or unjust, but I honestly don't think "steal" accurately describes the situation. You might say that the establishment of the Israeli state was a theft, but I don't see how that's meaningfully different than the establishment of British Mandatory Palestine, or Ottoman Palestine before that. You might say that modern Israel is the result of western imperialism, and I can somewhat understand that argument, but given that it was earlier under the Ottoman Empire, who were certainly not loved by the local Arab population, the difference feels almost more aesthetic than anything else.
For what it's worth, I do fully support an independent Palestine and think Netanyahu is a horror with zero interest in peace, though I also can understand that Israel has legitimate security concerns, though the retaliation in Gaza has absolutely been excessive.
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