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atlasraven31 , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

Helicopters, drones, and metals they won’t be able to use at Taiwan.

Kbobabob ,

Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.

atlasraven31 ,

It:s a shame because supplying that gear to Ukraine would have helped China’s reputation on the international stage and bolstered trade. It would have not been well received by the Kremlin but a losing army can’t invade anyone else.

awwwyissss ,

China and Russia are working together to overthrow the relatively democratic, rules-based US-Euro hegemony. That’s why they announced their super duper special forever friendship shortly before Putin started his latest genocidal land grab.

zephyreks ,

They are, though?

People are going on AliExpress and buying stuff. This is neither new nor illegal. Chinese companies live in a capitalist market just like everyone else.

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IllNess ,

Politically it’s better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We’re not how many countries would back Taiwan.

Rayleigh ,

I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros

mihor ,
@mihor@lemmy.ml avatar

Of our hard-earned money, those degenerate warmongers (I’m looking at you, Urszula)!

IllNess ,

Sorry, I meant over a billion Euros each. The US is at over €70 billion alone.

jcit878 ,

the difference is in Taiwan’s case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn’t have a hope

redtea ,

In every simulation, China wipes the floor with the US in a conventional war against the mainland. You can look it up if you like.

jcit878 , (edited )

already have, and every simulation says the opposite. dunno what nonsense you been looking at

edit: oh, lemmygrad. nevermind

redtea ,

Let’s hope we never have to find out who’s right.

jcit878 ,

on this I agree. lot of death on all sides garunteed. noone wants this

redtea ,

Absolutely.

AntiOutsideAktion ,
@AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

Why do you want to end the world so badly?

atlasraven31 ,

Plan for the worst, hope for the best

AntiOutsideAktion ,
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You can’t claim to be hoping for the best when you’re the one making provocations.

somename ,

Hopefully the United States doesn’t continue to escalate tensions in regards to the island.

ThereRisesARedStar ,

Helicopters, drones, and metals they won’t be able to use at Taiwan.

Because their plan for reunification is peaceful, which a military invasion would make more difficult.

Fuckass ,

Lol, I highly doubt china will be desperate enough to use consumer level drones and scopes to take over Taiwan given how many soldiers they have with real military equipment.

But even if they are desperate, what makes you think they won’t just seize the factories and pump out 20x the number being shipped to Russia and Ukraine, and the rest of the world? Not to mention, I don’t think China is dumb enough to go to war while Russia is busy at a completely different war, so I really don’t think a couple thousand shitty drones will make a difference 5-10 years from now

atlasraven31 ,

Russia’s military strength has been degrading since the war began. How long do you wait with your ally losing strength? Sure, you could prop him up but then that’s a drain on your economy. If you postpone indefinitely, the situation may change to be even more unfavorable.

Fuckass ,

China has waited centuries to get Hong Kong back and decades for Taiwan. What’s another 10 years? Why would they do some reckless shit like invasion when they’re still in the process of courting neighbors? All the superpowers are observing this war right now to see each other’s abilities, and the war hasn’t been finished yet. There’s no material benefit to invading anyone right now

GarbageShoot ,

Generally speaking, China benefits from stalling for as long as possible. The power of the imperial core is waning, so if China can navigate things such that the US – due to its own economic dependency on imperialism – crumbles to a much lower stature without the US launching nukes, then its influence in the world will become a shadow of what it was and reunification without firing a shot may be viable.

culpritus ,
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without the US launching nukes

I was just talking about this today. China is leading towards a multi-polar world very effectively, but the US is the only nation to have used nukes in history. Really puts things in stark relief.

Frank ,
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Plus the leadership in DC are senile psychopaths who have at best a loose grasp on world affairs. And that’s just the Democrats. The GOP are increasingly all fascists completely divorced from reality. Real “Sick old man” hours, except unlike the Ottomans DC has enough nukes to flash-fry the planet if the wrong corpse-lich has a stroke at the right time.

zephyreks ,

Oh no! Not the DJI Mavic Pro! Whatever will they do without

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SeborrheicDermatitis ,

China isn’t about to invade Taiwan anyway. Not much strategic gain + the Chinese leadership is smarter than the Russian one.

atlasraven31 ,

Here’s hoping. How do you think they will solve their naval border disputes with neighboring countries?

barsoap , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you’d have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.

Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.

UnverifiedAPK ,

Russia provides a buffer, it’s the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.

420blazeit69 ,

The funniest part of this comment is the idea that Russia will get so desperate for troops that they’ll be unable to operate mines

Soviet industrial capacity greatly increased over the course of WWII

Frank ,
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Yeah, but that was the Soviets. These are capitalists. Capitalists suck at war economics and I’m not even sure it’s plausible under modern finance capitalism. I agree they’re not likely to run out of troops any time soon, but I don’t think we’re likely to see economic gains like WWII.

420blazeit69 ,

I also don’t think we’re going to see industrial development on par with WWII. My point is that during WWII:

  • The USSR suffered something like 25 million deaths, orders of magnitude above even the wildest propaganda about current Russian losses
  • They still had the labor power to not only run their industrial base, but to build much of it from scratch

It’s a country of around 143 million, and I saw an (undoubtedly cautious) estimates of 11 million+ military age men. They had something like 1.2 million military personnel before the war.

Just a basic understanding of demographics and even one historical example should tell anyone that “they are so short on people they can’t even run their industry” is absurd.

Frank ,
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Fuckass ,

They provide a large country with a large nuclear arsenal and military that’s friendly to the Chinese government

KurtVonnegut ,
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Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer

Oh no, their Twitter and Facebook exports are too low. They’ll have to scrape by on checks notes one of the world’s largest supplies of oil, precious metals, and other natural resources. Surely, the Russian economy will collapse any second now!

Frank ,
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Plus their weapon systems are probably looking pretty good after surviving a sustained assault from a NATO trained, led, and supplied army.

Tankiedesantski , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

China should declare a policy that they will sell to Russia whatever the US or NATO sells to the separatists on Taiwan Island.

bbigras ,

Separatists? Isn’t Taiwan a country?

Kangie ,

Taiwan (Republic of China) and China (People’s Republic of China) are different governments that both lay claim to the same territory.

The TL;DR is that in 1949 the communists won the Chinese civil war and the remaining nationalist opposition retreated to Taiwan, beginning the state of affairs that we have today.

PRC considers Taiwan part of its core territory and will not renounce its claims. RoC has, since 1991, officially recognised that they can’t retake the mainland, but there’s ongoing debate about whether or not Taiwanese reunification or an independent Taiwan is the end state.

silvercove ,

Not according to Taiwan. Taiwan sees itself as the legitimate China, with territorial claims on the mainland.

Hirom , (edited ) to news in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

Tianjin Huarong Aviation, has transferred four Airbus helicopters to Russia since the war began

Whoever sold these European-made helicopters should be worried. Whoever is in charge of sanctions and export control rules in the EU will probably look into this.

Update: Airbus has at least one helicopter factory in China, so these weren’t necessarily manufactured in the EU. Anyway, still not looking good for people involved.

AceFuzzLord , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

There is no surprise that communist China would and is supplying their northern neighbor.

If anyone is actually surprised about this, then maybe they’ll be surprised when I give them an amazing deal of being able to buy the official deed to the Golden Gate Bridge for only $300 and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps. Just constant me at 123-456-7890 for details.

5473MP4RRit ,

Extremely valuable and informative /s

pisstoria ,

I mean, China is notorious for its foreign policy being primarily based on realpolitik rather than ideological allegiance, so the adjective “communist” before China is irrelevant to who they will sell weapons to.

Bnova ,
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Still blows my mind that they recognize the Filipino government and ignore the NPA. They’re Maoists for Christ’s sake.

SeborrheicDermatitis ,

Because modern China is not socialist and its leadership has no intention of moving in that direction (indeed, they are moving in the opposite direction, including under Xi).

Ram_The_Manparts ,
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Very cool that you have the ability to read minds and foresee the future.

SeborrheicDermatitis ,

I know, I’m very .

Civility , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

🥰

queermunist , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
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Not metals!

redtea ,

Even the kitchen sink (not the porcelain one).

ShimmeringKoi , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
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Lemmylaugh , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

does China have a choice?

Xenon ,

Is there free will? Are we all living in the matrix? questions…

sunbeam60 ,

Yes

palordrolap , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?

baked_tea ,

Give away trash, get better prices on oil

FuckyWucky , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
mihor ,
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Chad Xi! 💪💪💪

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interolivary , to worldnews in China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals
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I wonder if this’ll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn’t outright support Russia with war materials because they can’t afford to be sanctioned by “the West”, as they’re much more reliant on trade with the EU and US

JustZ , to news in San Francisco staff told to work from home as crime wave makes office unsafe
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What a joke. Corporate world loves a fake crime wave.

The same dumb dumbs who believe this shit thought COVID was fake and just an attempt by evil corporations to control people.

Imagine being tricked so badly.

JustAManOnAToilet OP ,

So the +12% YOY is false? What’s the correct number then?

JustZ ,
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Crime stats are easy to juke. I haven’t dived into these numbers. Got a degree in criminology though, heavy focus on stats and program evaluation.

I note that the largest social and economic disruption in US history began three years ago and obviously crime was gonna go up after that. I find it more useful to compare present stats to early to pre-2020 numbers. And generally, I’m just not impressed by slight increases with an obvious cause. Especially when they are offered as evidence by people with no sincere interest in reducing crime, such as people advocating for more police, more prisons, three strikes laws, mandatory minimums, truth in sentencing laws, asset forfeiture, disenfranchisement, incarceration cost restitution, or other such “tough on crime” “law and order” bullshit, which obviously cause more poverty and familial and community instability, and thereby serve only to cause more crime. Anyway that’s my rant.

FlyingSquid , to news in San Francisco staff told to work from home as crime wave makes office unsafe
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Yeah, wage theft is rampant. Someone should do something about this crime wave.

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