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Num10ck , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

i’m surprised nobody is mentioning that the keyboards in these were masterpieces that are so valuable today.

zerbey , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

This is why the ZX Spectrum was so important, in 1982 it cost £125 for the 16K model (£469 or so now). That’s within the reach of many consumers. Sure, it was laughably simplistic even at launch, but if it wasn’t for the Speccy I wouldn’t be an IT professional today.

Oneobi ,

My Dragon 32 or 64 (can’t remember which it was) has a lot to answer for too!

zerbey ,

Whole bunch of low cost 8-bit machines in that era, the Dragon 32, Commodore 64 and Amstrad CPC ranges to name but a few. Of course we must also mention the BBC Micro, was not low cost but every school had one if you grew up in the UK.

khannie ,
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We had one in my school in Ireland too (and I think they were common in schools here) but tbh none of the teachers knew how to use it and so we got very little time on it in school.

Loulou ,

Hey ZX-81 gang here!

999SKR (Swedish crowns) guess it was like 100$ and it gave you a 1KB 1Mhz computer :-) around 400SKR more for an expansion card with a whopping 16KB…

Went the C64 way but damn that Spectrum was sexy back in the day.

Magister ,
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ZX81 here too! Bought 500FF in 1981 iirc, in kit.

Loulou ,

Clavier membrane team !

Loulou ,

BTW did you solder it yourself?

Magister ,
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My father did, I was 10. But he then teached me a lot of things like soldering, programming in basic and Z80 assembly

Loulou ,

Excellent!

TrivialBetaState OP ,

So true! My parents got me the C64 when I had no idea about computers. I loved the Spectrum+ my buddy had at the time but always wanted the C128 another friend of mine got. My parents eventually upgraded my computer to an Amstrad CPC6128 when they saw that I was actually programming in BASIC. I learned a lot from that computer too, e.g. Fortran, Pascal, a bit of Z80 assemly (the last one was horrible!)

FlyingSquid , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985
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We had an Apple II+, IIe and //c. I would inherit each one when my family upgraded. They were around $1300 each I think. The //c might have been more because it was “portable” (you could put it in a suitcase with a 10-pound battery and a weird tiny horizontal screen that wouldn’t work with most software).

My grandparents had a C-64 which they never used. It basically became mine. I think it was $600.

monomist ,

Owned a //c that was all mine, a birthday gift IIRC. I remember that it had a composite output so you could plug it into a TV to play games on a bigger screen that actually had colour. Loved that thing, including the monochrome (green) monitor that neatly sat on top of it. I would spend hours typing in programs from magazines.

AngryCommieKender ,

My dad got the Apple ]|[ (3) he even got a whopping external 1 MB HDD for the thing. The HDD was in the same case as the CPU, so it kinda looked like my dad had two computers sitting next to each other with the monitor straddling them

FlyingSquid ,
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Someone donated one of those to my elementary school, but we had not software for it, just an Apple II emulator that had to be loaded on the floppy drive before loading whatever other software you wanted to run on it. Sort of pointless. I’m not sure why it was donated without software other than an emulator.

Nioxic , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

My father bought a family pc for 1500ish euros (or equal to that amount) vack in… 1990 or something. With a 386 cpu.

It was great. Though im not sure if the inflation is equal, in my country

twistedtxb , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985
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I remember my dad paying $800 for 8 megabytes of RAM.

Shit was expensive back then

zerbey ,

I was quoted £450 for 16MB in 1993. Approximately double that now with inflation. I was a 15 year old with a part time paper route, no way I’d ever afford that!

FlyingSquid ,
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8 megabytes? I remember upgrading my Apple IIe with a 64k expansion card which allowed for 80 columns of text characters.

It was at least $125.

BeigeAgenda , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985
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Was Olivetti any good at that time?

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supercheesecake , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985
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Who remembers the Sinclair ZX-80 with a massive 1kb ram?!

peanutyam ,

Ooh! I had a ZX-81 with a 16k ram pack on it (and cassette recorder to save with!) as a kid haha….god I’m old!!

IndiBrony ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/afb9f351-43b0-41fd-bf1c-027120657f6b.jpeg

Don’t mind me. Just showing off the Sinclair ZX Spectrum bag I got a couple of weeks ago. I’m nostalgic for 5 minute loading screens that could trigger an epileptic fit!

The 80s were a different time.

peanutyam ,

Oh that’s amazing!

The 80’s were certainly a different time. Especially when only allowed to access a computer at school for a few minutes in the day (Apple IIe) so all of us could “have a go at the computer in the library”!

I would never have imagined as a kid what it was going to be like today with smartphones and the internet everywhere….

BrownianMotion , (edited )
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You were lucky! We only had BBC’s in our computer room.

zerbey ,

“Only had BBCs”. The best 8-bit computer of their generation? ONLY had a BBC? You have any idea how lucky we were growing up with those amazing machines in the 80s-90s? I owe my whole career to the BBC, with an honorable mention to the ZX Spectrum I had at home.

Even today, they’re still in use.

Malfeasant ,

I guess I went to a well funded public school… In 1984-5 we had a whole bunch of apple ][s so we had an hour or so per week of programming in basic- I had a commodore 64 at home so I could do the classwork in the first 5-10 minutes, then spend the rest of the time playing with it to see what it could do…

zerbey ,

Shut up and take my money!

TrivialBetaState OP ,

I was starting writing here to correct you that it had 48KB (like the spectrums) but thought to check on wikipedia and… you are right! Oh my goodness! 1kb and called a computer! And was a computer!

supercheesecake ,
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I remember they had a space invaders type game for it, written and run IN 1k RAM!! Just amazing.

Num10ck ,

theres 1K programming demo contests now that would blow your mind. like www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?type[]=1k

FlyingSquid ,
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Possibly the worst keyboard ever too.

zerbey ,

I do, wonderful machine. You could get a 16K RAM pack (most did) that made a huge difference. Problem is, if an ant sneezed in the next town over it’d wobble loose and the machine would crash. A dab of Blu-Tac was just the ticket.

The ZX Spectrum came out 2 years later and was far more capable, and reasonably priced.

Jacksachatter , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

Apricot? So there were 2 pc makers with connection to fruit? Or Macintosh is not yet Apple then?

DirigibleProtein ,

Macintosh was always Apple. Apricot may have been trying to ride on the coattails of Apple’s popularity (I remember the computers but I’m too lazy to look it up).

Jacksachatter ,

I don’t recall apricot and olivetti. But the other I have vague memories especially the Macintosh one. Compaq doesn’t count as it is still existing.

FlyingSquid ,
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Olivetti originally made typewriters (we used to have one). Never heard of Apricot.

umbraroze ,
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Olivetti, from Italy, was pretty famous in Europe as a typewriter manufacturer. So it wasn't much of a surprise my father's first PC (and the first PC compatible I could use) was Olivetti PCS 386SX, circa 1992.

Turns out Olivetti is surprisingly important in computer history too. Olivetti made Programma 101, which was the first programmable desk computer/calculator, way back in 1965. If NASA bought a bunch of these, I guess it was serious shit.

Jacksachatter ,

Thank you! This is interesting. I’d go to a Google/wikipedia/youtube rabbit hole now

Psythik , (edited ) to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

Psh, $5700 and they don’t even come with a 4090.

Seriously, though, it’s no wonder why businesses had most of computers in the 80s; these companies were ripping people the hell off and getting away with it. Nearly $6 grand and you don’t even get a hard drive, nor a reasonable amount of RAM. Give me a fucking break.

umbraroze , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985
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There was some commercial for the Commodore 64 which basically lambasted the IBM PC for being twice as expensive while having the the same 64K memory.

I was, like, "yeah, but nobody ever bought the 64K model of IBM PC. That would have been just ridiculously limited, right? Right? Everyone got memory expansions, surely?"

Well, 64K was the stock configuration, so I'm sure those memory expansions sold like hotcakes. There was even the option for freaking 16K memory. (Now, I'm sure next to nobody bought that.) Even option to getting no floppy drives, because you could always put your glorious BASIC programs on a cassette tape. Like a caveman. (This also sounds like a rare option.)

cthonctic ,
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@umbraroze C64 caveman with datasette drive reporting in o7

@TrivialBetaState

BrownianMotion ,
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The IBM was Expandable to 640k, which Bill famously said “would be enough for anyone”!!

limelight79 ,

We had a PCjr. Default was 64k, but we got the 64k sidecar add on for a whopping 128 kb of RAM. We also got a Hayes Smartmodem 1200 with the aluminum case and red LEDs that I still have, because it’s amazing even though it’s useless. Dad would use it to connect to Compuserv.

We never had the Chiclet keyboard, though - I think they were on to regular keyboards by the time we bought ours.

HakFoo , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

Don’t get the Sanyo. It’s a weird “sorta DOS compatible” machine you’ll have a hard time with software and support for.

The Apricot was also exotic, but seemed to have more of an ecosystem.

Okalaydokalay , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

Apple is the second cheapest option. Damn, times have changed, for sure.

thbb ,

It says it has a "high res monitor". For having learned to program graphics on this machine, we had to count the pixels to be able to fit our drawings in the screen: 512x342, that's not a lot of screen real estate. The 640x480 PC screen was a luxury.

GigglyBobble ,

And today that's an icon.

Fermiverse ,

And to add it was the most advanced device compared to the others. Full mouse support, graphical interface, WYSIWYG , it was a true gamechanger.

Had a used one myself and soldered RAM chips on the MB to make it a fat Mac with 4MB RAM . Boot disk system was copied to a RAM disk after boot. Good times

FReddit , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

Around 1983 I got a Morrow Microdecision with two floppies.

No hard drive or mouse. It did come with COBOL.

It failed after 23 lines of text entry. Turned out the CPU was defective.

People kept asking me, “Dude, what do you need a computer for?”

Hamartiogonic ,
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Serious question: What did you use that computer for? So, did you just learn to write cobol and make your own programs?

supercheesecake ,
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I don’t know about the OP, but our first computer was a TRS-80 clone with a tape drive, 16k ram, and stunning 64x16 B&W graphics. Every month dad would drive us to computer club, we’d copy as many games as we could (onto tape), then spend the rest of the month trying to get them to work. Rinse and repeat. It was awesome.

Also typed in basic games from the computer mags which needed lots of debugging. How I learnt to program (before being taught Pascal in high school).

FlyingSquid ,
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Typing in the games could be both fun and highly frustrating. I had an Apple II and if you fucked up on a line, you probably weren’t going to be able to find it and fix it. There was no debugger and typing LIST would show you the whole thing and you couldn’t scroll up. So if you did it right, it was great. If you messed up somewhere, good luck.

Malfeasant ,

I don’t remember much on the apple, but in commodore basic you could do LIST 50-80 for example, I’m willing to bet the apple could too…

FlyingSquid ,
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You probably could and I just never knew it.

FReddit ,

I just used it for writing papers in college.

I had no idea how to use COBOL.

Hamartiogonic ,
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Ok, so it was more like a digital typewriter to you.

FReddit ,

I do have a funny story about the place I got it in San Francisco, of you care to hear it.

Hamartiogonic ,
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Absolutely! Please do continue.

Jacksachatter ,

So what’s the story man? Come on, some of us are invested already.

gunpachi , to technology in Cost of a 128KB computer with floppies in 1985

It’s crazy how Computers have changed over the years !

I guess people who have used PC’s from the old era would be able to appreciate the current Computers in a completely different level.

linearchaos ,
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A computer with a spreadsheet was a HUGE game changer.

In '85 most companies did books by hand and adding machine. Records were kept in ledgers and in filing cabinets. People used to hire CPA’s to come in and do the balancing even in small convenience stores. Given labor wasn’t what it is now, but a machine like that could pay for itself pretty quickly.

I worked a fast food job in the 90’s They had an ancient box running 1-2-3. Every night, the MOD would have to sit down with a paper sheet and an adding machine to generate this table, then enter all the transformed data into Lotus. They literally sat back there for hours working over the data. I asked, why don’t you just change the sheet to do all the calculations? Can’t, the franchise owner wants it all done by hand. They were literally taking a row of numbers, doing some math on it, then doing more math on each column to come up with a final row of like 7 numbers.

I had them show me what they were doing and wrote a program on my TI calculator to generate the table from the input numbers. Told them if they wanted the program just to get the same calculator and I’d transfer it over.

tony ,

Nobody trusted computers… they were ‘new’. It wasn’t entirely unheard of for people to verify the output of a computer by hand, or as in your case, doing it by hand intentionally.

kemal007 ,

When I remember back to the early 80s, me a single digit aged human with my first Commodore 64 and a cassette tape drive, to being a high school aged kid and helping my buddies install their extended memory set chip by chip to get them to 1mb of ram, to way in the future where I type this comment on a mobile phone touch screen capable of unfathomable high resolution graphics and speed is still a surreal feeling.

I grew up and grew old with computers and it’s wild to imagine a life without and a world without them nearly 50 years later.

Loulou ,

The old computers from my childhood still boots faster than any modern OS 😎

MrsDoyle ,

Never mind computers (my first one, in I think 1985, had two floppy drives and an amber screen, very fancy), it’s phones that blow my mind. I grew up with a heavy black bakelite dial phone that lived on a special bench in the hall, and now I do video calls with my family on the other side of the world from wherever I happen to be. Toll calls used to be a huge deal, you had to call the operator, we didn’t even have direct dialling. I watch TV on my phone, not even Star Trek had that!

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