That was the time when all the apps were standard XMPP. It didn’t have proper encryption back then. WhatsApp is still XMPP nowadays, but excluding federation and non-standard implementation on Meta servers and so on
Sure, but now you show me all the clients that supported OTR back then 😜 - or now, for that matter. Besides, OTR doesn’t work in multi user chats. OMEMO does, and support for it is still not exactly widespread…
Most popular clients supported OTR back then… Pidgin, Gajim, Adium, bitlbee, Psi, you name it.
And that’s at a time where absolutely no one did E2E, even SSL wasn’t a given.
Yes OTR* doesn’t do group chat, but now you’re just moving the goalpost.
*There has been a proposal in the works for years and years, but OMEMO stole a lot of it’s traction, and the last nail in the coffin was the arrest of Ola Bini in Ecuador as he was one of the main contributors.
You seem to not get that OMEMO is directly based on OTR.
It also powers the communications / presence on many gaming avenues as well like Fortnite, League of Legends, & whatever Nintendo is using for notifications + online status (assuredly a lot more games).
XMPP is old, stable, & massively scalable for industrial applications – while maintaining decentralization + efficiency & allowing for extensibility like OMEMO encryption which is covering most folk’s chat use cases. Since the XMPP foundation don’t put budget into marketing & hype, a lot of folks weirdly assume it’s dead or not being used. It’s strange to me how folks seem more interested in RCS & Matrix despite their histories/ownership/flaws rather than embracing what is already good.
We can start it up again. Time to nudge in the next Lemmy AMA to allow XMPP addresses alongside Matrix. You’d be surprised how little things like that can nudge adoption & pique curiosity.
Yeah, XMPP is great and all, but the client side is a big old mess, everything is full of friction and missing support for feature xyz. Have you tried using XMPP on iOS?
Conversations compliance test has brought most clients into an acceptable base to where most basic chat/audio/video needs are met, so if you are comparing older legacy clients then the experience will be different. The XEP system means everything is optional & can be pitched by making a spec & seeing who uptakes the idea. It also means the bar to create your own server is absoluetly minimal since everything is an extension which means you could build one in a weekend which is great for those learning to code since the barrier to entry is extremely low if Conversations isn’t the goal.
IDGAF about Apple since you have to have a wad just to publish an application on their proprietary store & the EU didn’t do a good enough job so it’s expensive to open alternative stores like F-Droid while also being antagonistic towards sideloading as well as PWAs (not to mention needing to buy their overpriced hardware to build/release applications). Heck, you can’t even publish a GPL-or-similar-licensed app on their store. This is a giant slap in the face to free/ethical software developers & probably why the clients aren’t in a good state; if you aren’t trying to make money, why would you develop in an ecosystem that is entirely hostile for you to develop in?
I actually tried pidgin maybe 6 months ago just for kicks if it could handle whatsapp, signal and telegram, and whaddaya know, it could. It was ugly as hell, but it could be done.
For whatsapp, my experience with Pidgin was terrible. Stickers had to be downloaded as photos, group chats would only show up once someone sent a message, contacts would only show as the full international phone number, all existing chats were horizontal tabs, like a browser.
RCS is an open standard. However, on Android you can only use it with Google chat. So android stops any other apps from using it. Nothing to stop you making your own phone from scratch and adopting it.
Samsung messages app also supports RCS, depending on your carrier, though? It’s super fucking buggy and frequently switches back to sms so I still switched to Google messages, but it does technically have it.
As i understand the current consensus on Spinosaurus:
• it walked on all fours, not on two legs.
• it was probably similar to a giant croc as is mouth is design for catching fish.
• the tail looks like it could be used for swimming, but didn't have the muscle attachments for croc/gator tail swimming.
• which is weird because that should put it in an ideal situation to give fantastic skeletons(similar to the duck billed dinosaurs), but we barely have any. Worse is that the most complete skeleton was destroyed by allied bombing in WW2.
• and all of that raises the question of what the hell was the sail for. Since that doesn't make sense on an aquatic ambush predator.
• moreover, the sail wasn't a one-off, but a feature of half of the spinosaurids, so it was selected for. So it served some useful purpose.
In birds this sort of seemingly bad adaptation is usually related to mating. Like male cardinals being bright red or a peacock's tail. An fragile and energy-expensive appendage like that would be very indicative of the health of the individual, especially because it would get damaged pretty easily.
Or hell, maybe they used it to shade the water to see fish better. Or they used it to absorb heat from the sun to stay active in cool water. Or it helped them see other members of their species from a distance. I love mysteries like this!
You mean text editing after sending? I would definitely not consider that a “basic” feature - we are talking about E2EE here, editing a message that you already encrypted locally and then sent on its way is by no means trivial - especially with the kind of E2EE that we have nowadays.
It actually is super easy, barely an inconvenience. When you edit an E2E encrypted message, your client simply sends another E2E encrypted message telling your contact what to replace your previous message with.
WhatsApp is also owned by meta, so out of the 7 options, 3 of them are owned by the same company and yet continue to lack support for interoperability.
slrpnk.net/comment/6754380Nobody is forcing me to buy their phones or their stock version of android though. A lot of people manage to live just fine with fully de-googled roms, installable even on google’s own phones.
And do those phones that have been degoogled solve the issue of all the slave labor along the production chain?
And even if you install a ROM… You’re still supporting them. You’re funding Google.
I’m sorry dude but you’re comparing apples to apples. They’re both horrible disgusting companies, and there really is no picking the morally correct side.
Google is not a good company by any means, but when you buy their Pixel it’s your device. You can unlock its bootloader and install whichever OS you like. And even with the stock Android you’ve always been free to do anything. There are no features built into Android that lock you in and force the other side to buy one as well. Whereas Apple’s iMessage is available on iPhones only, peer pressuring others into buying one. Saying that buying an iPhone and an Android phone is morally the same is dishonest at the least. Especially since Android is just an open platform and each manufacturer is using their own modified version. Brands such as Xiaomi or Huawei went even beyond the software skin and optimized their ROMs to run especially well with their own hardware. If you buy an iPhone, you are forcing those around you into buying a specific device made by a specific company that loves playing Monopoly a bit too much.
Things you buy aren’t moral choices. If there is no ethical consumption under capitalism there must neither be any moral consumption under capitalism either.
I will admit the openness is why I chose one disgustingly evil company over the other. You do have a point there. But there is no getting over the fact that Google is doing serious damage in many ways and just because you managed to uninstall all their spyware when you bought a pixel or any android device you are still funding that. You personally help them grow and become more of a problem for the Internet at large.
And I like that you completely glossed over the biggest point… That they both profit off of slave labor. And of course child labor.
But hey open software means slaves are not as bad right?
Like I said, an Android phone does not equal a Pixel made by Google. If you are concerned about where the resources used to manufacture your device are from, get a Fairphone and flash Lineage/CalixOS on it. That way you are “supporting” Google in the smallest possible way and you can still use a smartphone.
The FBI demonstrated during the San Bernardino shooting investigation that Apple must purposefully put backdoors in their devices, as the FBI was able to independently crack the phone, which isn’t possible without a backdoor or a security flaw so poor that a third-world hacker could access it with some level of effort or knowledge.
Do not trust Apple with your privacy, even less so than Google. At least Google will allow you to see everything they’ve collected on you and prevent random bad actors from accessing your data, which is something we can’t be sure of with apple. This isn’t about which is the more moral company, it’s about which is more dangerous to the consumer. Complete lack of control over your computing environment will only make sense in cases where you’re expected to have a complete lack of knowledge of computers and someone else does the thinking and manages your device.
The fbi contracted a third party to defeat the limit on passcode attempts so they could brute force the lock screen by having someone just sit there trying every possible code. My understanding is that it involved physical access to the device and the way that process is handled by the phone was reengineered shortly afterwards to prevent it from happening in the future.
That’s not a backdoor, that’s sawing the front door into pieces to avoid triggering the anti-tamper system on the hinges and lock.
If you want backdoor worries, look to the generations of apple chips with undocumented memory mapped io registers that were in development during that time period. But don’t think too hard about how arm chips are developed or why that got left in there or how. You may come to the undeniable conclusion that a natsec cutout is licensing slabs of arm feature silicon with backdoors built in.
This is not a defense of apple. Only a clarification that there wasn’t a backdoor found in the San bernidino phone, and that if you wanna be freaked out about back doors there’s better stuff to get crazy over.
if youre worried about backdoors and spying, its a good idea to start paying attention to the trade publications and training media made for reprehensible spooks.
they’ll say shit that makes you throw up in your mouth but you’ll never look at push notifications or sms the same way again.
More than you are implying. An Apple product means you have to buy from Apple. At least with android you can order a Fairphone. Which, while not perfect, is significantly better in the “slave labor” category.
Yeah, that's a crock. My first corporates job did that to us, and then never approved the paid vacation requests, let-a-lone the banked time-off we were promised for being such good cubicle slaves working above and beyond, and it is all legal because "exempt salary employee"
Hah, cubicle. Not to shit on you, but that would have been much preferable to my situation. Seasonal environmental field work - 300ish hrs a month from May to November
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