You never see edgelord atheists burning Bibles to trigger Christians - and the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it. But since Muslims have been designated as an “acceptable” target in the west, this shit is allowed - and the right-wingers know they can push people into accepting their agenda like this.
the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it
What do you mean by “won’t get away with it”? Also the article doesn’t mention anything about atheism, only ‘anti-Muslim’, which are obviously two very different things. I’m fairly certain the reason why you see less Bible burnings than Quran burnings in the west is because the west is predominantly Christian, so of course there would be less burning of the Bible, not because of the notion of some atheists of ‘getting away with it’.
so of course there would be less burning of the Bible,
There is absolutely no particular reason you should see Quran burnings in the west, either… that is, unless it’s the same old west demonizing the same old “other.”
not because of the notion of some atheists of ‘getting away with it’.
No, it’s a valid question - if this is (supposedly) about “freedom of speech” (which the Quran burners always pretend it’s all about), why don’t you see these vitriolic right-wing atheists (for which dipshits like Bill Maher is a spokesperson) test “freedom of speech” by burning Bibles? I mean… this is about “freedom of speech,” isn’t it?
Just a week or two ago there was an article where another protester was planned to burn Bible in front of Israeli embassy to show a point.
There was a response from a Rabbi saying that he doesn't approve it, that he also similarly doesn't approve burning Koran, it serves no other purpose that to generate hate, but freedom of expression is also sacred and he won't go against it.
You never see edgelord atheists burning Bibles to trigger Christians - and the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it.
Rather because we know we get away with it. Because most Christians don’t feel so entitled to expect others to live by their rules, and threaten them with death when they don’t.
These provocations make sense as long as the other side takes offense for so little, in such a violent way. It’s this encroaching and inacceptable attitude which makes resistance a necessity.
The article sheds no light on what the actual motives of these particular protesters are.
You mean… except for that entire colonialism thing, huh?
These provocations make sense as long as the other side takes offense for so little
Go burn Bibles in public, then… we’ll see how long it takes the christo-fascists to show up at your door. Somehow, I don’t think you will.
The article sheds no light on what the actual motives of these particular protesters are.
Don’t have to… it’s very easy to tell what they are. And it seems plenty of people are willing to run interference for these nazis - as long as they can be aimed at Muslims, of course.
Not entirely sure what you meant with this short remark. I oppose colonialism for the same reason I oppose people who impose their belief on others. Because I support each and everyone’s human rights.
Go burn Bibles in public, then… we’ll see how long it takes the christo-fascists to show up at your door. Somehow, I don’t think you will.
Can you point me to any incident in the past where burnt bibles lead to angry mobs, setting buildings on fire or killing people? I’m not aware this exists. If that was a thing, I would fully support burning bibles, although I’m personally not.
willing to run interference for these nazis - as long as they can be aimed at Muslims
I understand your concern but I’m not in that camp, on the contrary. There are more sides to this story. There is a significant overlap between the reasons for me being antifascist and the reasons for opposing imposing beliefs.
Because most Christians don’t feel so entitled to expect others to live by their rules, and threaten them with death when they don’t.
Ok come on, my friend. I know a bible burning won’t get you the death penalty, but many many many people have been killed and imprisoned for not living to Christian values, especially in the United States. It’s “just a few crazies” or whatever, but it really isn’t since these actions happen in an environment of indirect public support.
I see, I’m gonna make a low-ish effort post, but I’m happy to discuss further if you’d like:
Colonization still happens, but I think it matters that it happened in the past too. I would say that one of the most prominent recent examples would be the American invasion of Iraq. There are many political and economic aspects to the invasion, but one cultural angle is that it was widely supported by religious conservatives due to their opposition to Islam. American leadership was ghoulish in their own way, and to incompetent to actually colonize the country, but many of the literal footsoldiers joined the military to “get back at them for what they did to us”, although as we know, none of the 9-11 terrorists were Iraqi.
Another example that springs to mind is the ongoing homophobic and transphobic hate crimes. One specific example would be the Pulse nightclub mass shooting. I would suggest that most American Christians don’t support death for being gay, just the same as most American/Western Muslims don’t support death for burning the Quran, but in other countries where religion overlaps more with politics, both of these can be considered serious criminial offenses.
I only mean to suggest that both religions have a bit of bloodthirst in them, which doesn’t apply to everyone, but is certainly comparable. We can go deeper into the details, I just felt like you were giving Christians a bit of a pass that they don’t deserve.
That helps to understand where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation. While I see differences, I also see the similarities.
I only mean to suggest that both religions have a bit of bloodthirst in them, which doesn’t apply to everyone, but is certainly comparable. We can go deeper into the details, I just felt like you were giving Christians a bit of a pass that they don’t deserve.
Oh, definitely. Sorry if I gave the impression to have any good opinion about Christianity. I despise it wholeheartedly.
I only, and specifically, meant that the trouble you get for burning scripture is very different in Islam and Christianity. The latter probably has more blood on it’s hands overall, but that’s a different topic from my point of view. Also the overwhelming majority of both religions are decent, peaceful people.
They can believe what they want and live by their rules if they want. Just as others can disbelieve what they want and disrespect religious rules if they want. These rules have no power outside of their own bubble. It should be opt-in. At least it should be opt-out. But they must be optional.
I ANAL 😏 but in order to claim their fees are excessive, I’d expect that the plaintiffs would need to show that they are substantially higher than fees in other circumstances. I don’t think 15-20% is unusual for other software stores, including the google play store which has a number of competitors on android, or steam on PC which also has a number of competitors on PC.
This seems to be the standard that all store fronts use. With maybe an exception on epic who purposefully went lower than the industry norm to try and excite game publishers to their storefront.
Just from some cursory googling - google and Apple are right in line. 30% with some drops into the 15% mark after time has passed in case of subscription payments.
Edit: have not been following this story but it seems like kind of an uphill battle. We know what the argument will be - it’s x percent but you’re using our product and infrastructure and we have to invest people and resources to verifying apps getting published.
Feels like the law suits that involve “allowing multiple app stores” had a higher chance of succeeding (though I have no idea the status of those lawsuits so maybe that’s already off the table)
it’s x percent but you’re using our product and infrastructure and we have to invest people and resources to verifying apps getting published.
If Apple wanted, they could allow developers to supply their own infrastructure. It would cost a lot less than 30% of the developer’s gross revenue. Apple could also charge, say, ten thousand dollars per hour for the time the review team spends checking the app. That would also work out to astronomically less than 30% of the developer’s gross revenue.
The App Store is a great service and Apple is entitled to collect a fee. But the amount they’re charging is excessive. In a fair market with proper competition they could never get away with charging that much.
But you know it’s just not Apple right? This is standard rates at this point. No one was arguing against your point - but there is an industry high rate at play here.
Just because it’s the industry standard rate doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. It used to cost $0.25 to send an SMS and $1.25 to send an international SMS. Mobile data on international roaming used to cost $10 per megabyte.
Those were standard prices. That didn’t make them “fair”. Eventually various forces came into effect in and the prices dropped down to where they are now, which is often pretty close to free.
With the monopoly control Apple has over the App Store, it isn’t possible for the natural market to push prices down to where they should be, which means the only way to get there is through lawsuits, regulation, fines, etc etc. This isn’t the first lawsuit, and it won’t be the last. Apple might win this battle but they’re not going to win the war.
Not a lawyer, but I suspect where Apple could land in hot water is apparently 85% of iPhone App developers are only paying $100 per year. They don’t pay any commission to Apple at all, because the apps collect revenue via some other source.
So Apple is essentially singling out 15% of developers and forcing them to pay a extraordinarily more than what most of their competitors are paying.
I expect it will also hurt Apple’s case they are directly competing with millions of developers. You want to sell a note taking app for example? You’re competing directly with Apple. And Apple has various unfair advantages.
So Apple is essentially singling out 15% of developers and forcing them to pay a extraordinarily more than what most of their competitors are paying.
But that’s not true. And your response to this in the other comment chain was three paragraphs on sms rates. Seems like you believe somehow Apple is unique in this regard.
What’s not true? It is absolutely true that the majority of apps on the App Store don’t pay (or at least pay very little).
Antitrust law is all about ensuring competitors are on equal footing with each other. Apple’s walled garden makes equal footing impossible. Is it illegal? I don’t know. But I think it should be and I hope the laws are adjusted if necessary to make it illegal.
Isn’t the argument less about that but but more that theres no other way to distribute on iOS outside the store. On android, windows, etc you lose visibility not being on the Play Store/Steam/etc but you can use an alternate market that takes less of a cut (Epic store) or self publish (side loading).
Do you have a link that doesn’t get all shitty with mobile (iOS, if it matters)? Perhaps an archive.org or 12ft.io link? I’d copy/paste myself but it seems not to be ok with that.
When I try to click that it demands an app, which I’m not willing to install cuz fuck that. It does this even when I have all settings requesting desktop.
This is why it needs to be done - each day until the violence stops. Its disrespectful sure, but to see all the Arabic nations raise up over a burned book just shows it’s all about local control. Nobody cares about their brothers being slaughtered in Israel, but burn a book and they’re all in the streets. Making noise that nobody ever hears. I’m places few visit. It’s a circus and their rulers are surfing on that.
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