Super annoying but a great time to bring up Lemmy’s crossposting feature! If the image is hosted nonlocally and posted separately, Lemmy can automatically combine the posts and show it as crosspost links. Seems like this feature should work for local media as well but does not seem to in this case. Now this could be user error or this may be a place that the feature can be improved.
It’s a group effort so if nobody in your country uses it then it’s going to be a lot less helpful to you.
I don’t know how it gets started in an area because presumably everyone else you know would get the same experience as you when they sign in so how does it encourage people to start building the knowledge base up?
I know that it works in the UK. My wife has used it and found a lot of useful info but had to add her own info too.
I use familysearch.org. It’s free! I’m not sure what country you’re in, but I’ve found a lot of info on European, Italian, and some African ancestors through there.
They own all of them. They have a large stake in Ancestry too. Also, the Mormon church has investment funds that own a ton of things. It was a big deal recently because they lied to the SEC to hide the size of it from their members.
Beyond this, they will use the data in their fucked up rituals to “Baptize the dead”. They will take your ancestors names, and retroactively baptize them into their church without consent from the deceased or family.
I was raised LDS, though I had the good fortune to spot the BS as a teenager and haven't set foot in a church in almost 20 years. I did however, participate in the baptisms for the dead when I was like 16. The theology is bafflingly stupid and cheerfully inconsiderate (a lot like Mormons, LOL, amiright? I'll be here all week!).
At least when I did it, the notion is that everyone who died without a chance to honestly consider Mormon teachings is in a kind of low-intensity purgatory rather than straight-up Hell. In this place, they will still be pestered by missionaries, but for some reason it's critical that_ someone's_ body be physically baptized in their name. Mormons are taught that they should chug along collecting their relatives names so a random teenager in Boise who lied about whether they jerk off can get dunked in an industrial bathtub perched on top of mediocre statues of oxen. This checks the appropriate box on the deceased's spiritual resume, so if they accept the teachings in the afterlife, the pre-reqs to be fully Mormonized will have been met. The current rules are only to do [edit: submit] names of your actual relatives, but yeah... Familysearch says we're all related to "Thor Odinson" and Noah.
Of course, if it turned out the Mormons were right, there are some weird knock-on effects. First, why would Earthly missionary efforts be desirable at all? You're just giving people the chance to potentially doom themselves while they are still subject to bad influences. Second, why is there no accommodation for people whose names are not recorded? Fuck them, right? Third, what on God's green Kolob is the point of pretending there is a "choice." I have likely fucked myself, being a dirty quitter (My wife once overheard her parents' Mormon neighbors describe me as an "apostate"), but if it turns out the Mormons are right, I am gonna feel pretty fuckin' dumb, and similarly, barring some "The Good Place" shenanigans, literally 100% of the people who are given the chance to accept the "Gospel" after they're already dead will accept.
Personally, I think the LDS emphasis on genealogy was mostly a way to collect intel to assert control, inflate membership in the early days, create a shared sense of history and connection in Utah where literally none of the members had deep family roots and so many had abandoned their own families for this weird culty church. Then, finally, it gives nosy grandmas a way to do God's work while pursuing their hobbies. Like so many things in religion generally and Mormonism specifically, it kind of got out of hand.
The current rules are only to do names of your actual relatives
Huh, that wasn’t the case the one time I was forced by my parents to do it. I didn’t have any names so they just assigned me random names. But I wouldn’t know how it is now.
literally 100% of the people who are given the chance to accept the "Gospel" after they're already dead will accept
Lol I literally had the same exact thought when all of this was explained to me. It makes no sense. But that’s par for the course for the entire religion sooooo……
What I meant was they are only supposed to put their own relatives into the system. By the time you get to the assembly line, I agree it's still 99% going to be randos.
Latter-day Saints believe that the deceased may choose to accept or reject baptisms for the dead. There is no "forcing dead people to join the church" going on.
What they believe is irrelevant. It’s disrespectful to the beliefs of the deceased and their loved ones. Do you realize how insulting this would be to a Jewish person? It’s spitting in the face of their own beliefs.
Those who understand the spirit in which vicarious baptism are performed by Latter-day Saints understand that it is a respectful, reverent process that is motivated purely by love. It is not spitting in the face of anyone's beliefs.
"Dear Angel of the Lord, I am afraid that having died and been sent to spirit prison to be ministered to by the souls of righteous Nephites, I am still not convinced. I am sure that Catholic heaven is just on the other side of those pearly gates, and I formally request a transfer."
Do you not understand how patently absurd this is for a faith that makes claims of exclusive truth? It's PR nonsense so that most outside people will shake their heads and back off, and members won't feel like they're doing something disrespectful and disturbing.
I'm saying that the church claims to be the one true church with unique access to the entirety of the Gospel. I am further saying that Baptism for the Dead is described as something that the deceased person can choose to accept or reject.
I am then saying that the "choice" to accept truths presented to you after you have died and find you now exist on a supernatural plane in which the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was "correct" is no meaningful choice whatsoever. Presenting it as such is to obfuscate the fact that the Church will continue to heed its own counsel as to what is "a respectful, reverent process that is motivated purely by love," and that the non-believers need to STFU so the Mormons can get on with the extremely important business of saving souls, but only those whose names were written down somewhere, because apparently the Lord is a stickler for paperwork.
Nope! They send occasional emails when they find new records or a past relative’s birthday, but I have not received any spammy ones from the Mormons or asked to join their cult.
“It’s free!” Is alarming and inappropriately cheerful.
These sites are sociopathic data harvesters, and if your relatives have any sense they’ll give you shit for exposing them to it as well. If it’s free, it’s probably even worse.
Take your rudeness over to r/exmormon or have a chat with anyone who’s got personal security concerns (I mean, don’t actually because you seem like a bit of a dick).
You are 100% exposing your family. It’s great for you that you don’t care about them, but don’t pretend otherwise.
Edit: okay, he downvoted me and the diverted the conversation. I just wanted a source, which he seems unable to provide. Just want this to serve as a reminder to people that you shouldn’t trust everything you read online, even in Lemmy comments
Interestingly, I did find links to the Singapore govt, through GIC
Looks like that is no longer the case and the Blackstone group is the majority owner now. If you look into Ancestry’s history it was started by LDS members as a project for the cult. There was investment at one point but they no longer own it.
I’m not seeing any evidence that this was church-run at any point in time. Again, do you have a source for that claim?
Just because a business was founded by a member of a certain religion, that doesn’t mean the business is owned by the church. For example, many Catholics own businesses. Does that mean the pope or their local archdiocese controls those businesses?
I’m not trying to make this into a big argument, I’m just asking for your source that explains the church’s involvement. I do see that the owner made a deal with the church for discounted memberships, but any corporation could’ve struck a contract out in a similar fashion. Yes, the LDS church seems to have a weird interest in ancestry (thus the contract and the fact that one of their members made a business out of ancestry stuff)
It wasn’t that it was church-run, it was that the mormons sold their genealogical database to ancestry for a damn good, multimillion dollar deal in which (now this part is speculation, the previous part wasn’t) I assume they scraped ancestry’s technological knowhow to try to set up their own database better. I got to sit in on the meeting where Gordon Hinkley dropped his kindly old dude facade and scream at all the old volunteers running the genealogical department for the multibillion dollar church he personally owned to “delete the duplicates” I think was his exact wording he kept repeating. This was right before they were selling the database to ancestry. He was yelling at us to clean up the database he was selling, do it for free, because he needed more millions. One of my ancestors was in there 12 times (no fault of ours and we’d fought in vain with Salt Lake to get the duplicate entries removed, but since we’re from out of state they wouldn’t do shit). After that meeting, she had fifty duplicate entries.
The wall of fucking spez is finmy, but I find it FAR funnier to see how something that was one of reddit’s most popular things ever just a few months ago is NOTICABLY less popular. All of the biggest communities that were represented on the drawing earlier this year are nowhere to be seen. All that’s left this time around is just random disconnected drawings and massive flags. The soul is gone.
So yeah, stop fucking spamming the canvas and just let it be empty and soulless. It sends a bigger message.
They were stupid to bring it back anyways, it only succeeded the second time because enough time had passed for the people that remembered it and there were plenty of new people to participate. This time neither is true
It seems like they brought it back to drive up traffic. They know people will put those things on it, but they can edit all they want and going over there to “protest participate” still drive traffic to their site. In 6 months when they tell investors how successful the last place event wad, no one is going to want to see the final picture, they’re just going to look at the numbers.
Place was stupid when we were on reddit, its sure as he’ll not worth going back for
There was a lot of talk about the admins erasing stuff. My guess is they’ll ensure it doesn’t look too empty.
I’m ignoring it, though. I don’t want to give them traffic on a platform they can control. The real question is why can’t we set up something similar here?
This isn’t even originally from Reddit… It used to be called “drawball”.
Posting about the annoying posts, sure to stop further posts from happening 🙄
Just block the subs you don’t care about (shit posts and Reddit are a good starting point.)
Personally I love seeing people coordinate to shit on another mega corp and I’m not gonna get triggered by less than 10 posts on my front page (that go away after I view or interact with them)
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