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DaveNa , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

3rd party software/hardware. Companies don’t develop for Linux. And Linux developers can’t reverse engineering everything.

thecoolowl ,

Things break in weird ways on Linux due to dependencies. Snap/Flatpak/AppImage has yet to show if it’s enough to fix the issue.

DaveNa ,

That would depend on a case by case basis. For basic use (I thought this was the point of the post) I never had anything break, software/hardware either works or doesn’t (I always use the stable release of everything).

Lodespawn , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

Interesting that despite it still being summer and roasty toasty in the southern hemisphere in January, the world average temp is still lower than the northern hemisphere summer.

luthis ,

Averages mean almost nothing. They can’t really be used to say anything meaningful.

1000 men vs 1000 women: 999 men earn $1 per hour. 1 man earns $1,000,000 per hour. 1,000 women earn $500 per hour. On average, men earn $1000 per hour, but women earn on average half that.

The reality is obviously very different to the average.

CmdrShepard ,

This would only be a relevant criticism if our temperatures had a swing like 1-$1,000,000 does.

The reality is obviously very different than you suspected.

luthis ,

No, the point remains the same. The point is averages by design remove peaks and lows by averaging them out. A system as complex as our atmosphere needs to be considered more granularly than just as by averages. Peaks and lows cause massive disasters, like in Europe right now.

CmdrShepard ,

No your point is still invalid. Explaining how averages work doesn’t lend credence to your point as they’re intentionally used for this purpose by making temperature changes directly comparable day to day. We don’t have any days where the temperature jumps to 1,000,000 degrees Celsius, so there’s nothing to throw the average off.

You’re correct that our atmosphere and weather are complex, which is why scientists use a multitude of approaches to study them. The fact that you think average temperature is the only method being used for study only shows your lack of knowledge on the topic.

If you still feel I’m wrong then show us the math using actual temperature values to prove it.

Lodespawn ,

The average tells us quite a lot. It shows that overall, year on year temperatures across the entire planet are increasing, whether it's winter or summer. Like you say the impacts of that are higher spikes in more places every year and those spikes are lost from the data, but the average is valuable aswell. Because of the scale, and the fact that it's including winter for half the planet, 1 degree change in the average is pretty crazy.

fiat_lux ,

The southern hemisphere has a lot more water surface area, which has a larger heat capacity, is somewhat reflective, and a lower density / conductivity.

This is why Australians and Brazilians are known to be amphibious during summer.

Lodespawn ,

Yeah that was my thought, turns out the land water ratio in the northern hemisphere is 2:3 while it's 1:4 in the southern hemisphere

arin , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

The world is literally on fire

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  • fiat_lux ,

    For now. Watching the Northern hemisphere be in flames is just the smoky forewarning of what to expect in the next 4-8 months. I'm not looking forward to it.

    Didz ,
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    Ha exactly, may our sunburn return to our exposed bodies soon.

    damnYouSun ,

    “Climate change doesn’t exist because of winter.”

    fiat_lux ,

    I don't they intended to dismiss climate change, I think they were just taking exception to the use of the word "literally" with "the world" when it's technically just far too much of the Northern Hemisphere across multiple continents. Not necessarily helpful, but at least it's not climate change denial?

    damnYouSun ,

    It’s wrong anyway because the temperatures are high for the current time of year. Even the winter temps.

    So with the northern hemisphere that means that they are higher than they’ve ever been before in the Southern hemisphere it just means they’re higher the winter then they’ve ever been before but they’re still high.

    So it’s a confusing and non relevant distinction.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    palordrolap , to programmerhumor in Sourcery

    The common loop variable i looks quite a lot like a candle, wouldn't you say?

    LaggyKar , to programmerhumor in Project Management 101

    That doesn’t even make any sense, since it’s not an absolute scale

    phorq ,

    If you used Kelvin it would be even worse… 300F = 422K, multiply by 3 = 1266K = 1819F…

    tryph , (edited ) to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?
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    I’m an artist who is never switching to linux unless they fix my major gripes (which seem like it’ll never happen just looking at the answers here lol).

    Allergic to GUIs

    • Devs and most Linux users act allergic to having intuitive GUIs. It’s already a pain to use a lot of small programs that don’t have them on windows. I’m familiar enough with using terminals for stuff but I am so incredibly disinterested in using it All The Time or even often.

    Not having easy to access and understand toggles/settings are actually a friction point for most users—I think people who are tech inclined seriously need to remember and understand this. Needing to dig for a command to do simple things IS the OS getting in the way in my experience. I’ve seen screenshots of elementaryOS which seems to get this but my next issue is:

    Software and hardware compatibility

    • A lot of things I use for work like CSP, Adobe suite, Live2d, etc aren’t natively supported. I also don’t want to be risking encountering possible bugs or errors trying to get it to run them. Not all my games are from steam either, and I don’t know if those would run. There’s simply too many things I use daily that don’t have native support.

    I also keep hearing about AMD driver issues which is no good for my pc.

    Overall, as much as I hate windows and microsoft, it’s easier to put up and debloat the garbage that comes up over dealing with the issues above. Because when it works, It Actually Just Works. There’s more google-able tech support answers for it too instead of me needing to ask for help every time I encounter something.

    Things that are easy to do does add up eventually, which again, is why needing to use the terminal often is not at all an ideal average user experience especially if this could be cut down with some mouse clicks. I think distros could address this if the devs actually care about the non-tech nerd user experience, but I don’t know if the software support/compatibility will ever be fully dealt with.

    edited to fix formatting

    Sowatee ,

    Agree with pretty much everything. If I have to fight just to do basic shit why should I bother with it? My tools of the trade don’t work on it, a lot of my games don’t work on it, and my computer itself might not work on it (also AMD here). There’s no value to using it. Just a lot of headaches.

    Nalivai ,

    That’s exactly how I feel on Windows. I have to fight with stupid unintuitive guis and when you google for help, the solutions don’t work because Microsoft changed something in some version switched something without any logic

    MaliciousKebab ,

    Googling never works for me on windows, I just get redirected to their stupid forums with generic “update your pc” shit, problem solves itself after sometime somehow and I never know what the fuck happened in between. Windows to me is a magical box that sometimes breaks and fixes itself. Wasting my time in the process.

    Nalivai ,

    I also keep hearing about AMD driver issues

    I’m pretty sure it’s a tale from the older times

    ikidd ,
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    ie: “I haven’t used Linux in 10 years but feel qualified to pipe up about why it’s shit.”

    zygo_histo_morpheus ,

    I work with programming so my experience of linux is obviously a bit different than an artist trying out linux for the first time. What are things you remember having to use the command line for? Installing packages is the most obvious one but there are graphical front ends for many package manager. Editing config files maybe? I wonder if part of the problem is that most tutorials when you google explain how to do things on the command line rather than how to do it through a gui.

    tryph ,
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    I agree that part of the problem is the tutorials and average linux video shows mostly terminal usage. I’m aware of distros that do have GUI front ends like elementaryOS as mentioned, but again I am not going to install linux due to my program requirements for work not having official support. I try to keep up with some linux OS vids/posts because I think the development is interesting to see, but in the end it really is not built with the “average user” in mind no matter how many people keep saying it is lol.

    I use programs in windows with only terminal support and config/json files I have to edit myself but it does remind me how much more convenient a GUI is. But devs and other tech people don’t find it worth the dev time to implement. That’s fine but it’s weird to expect widespread use when convenience is considered a waste. Sorry if I keep repeating myself but that’s genuinely a big point in the matter haha

    zygo_histo_morpheus , (edited )

    I am not going to install linux due to my program requirements for work not having official support

    Fair!

    That’s fine but it’s weird to expect widespread use when convenience is considered a waste

    I don’t think it’s just about saving dev time (though that is also a big part of it) but also that many people, such as myself as well as most people who make open source programs, genuinely think that the terminal is more convenient than a gui. This is a niche position though and as you say an obstacle to mainstream use.

    I do wonder how far away we are from a linux for casual use that you can use without the terminal, since there are already a couple of gui tools for common tasks. In my mind, the average casual user mostly uses maybe their browser, spotify, office products, steam (which may require installing a different graphic card driver, which isn’t very user friendly), some messaging platform and photoshop or something. Honestly this shouldn’t be that hard to do with just gui tools, modulo the graphic card drivers. Comparability with various programs is a problem though, you might have to settle for libre office and gimp instead of ms office and photoshop for example.

    inverimus ,

    Creating a GUI for changing a few lines of text in a file feels like a lot of extra work for no benefit for most developers.

    tryph ,
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    Yeah and that’s exactly why it’s not going to be an OS with a wide ‘average windows user’ base.

    Ozzy , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

    Yippie! I love global warming!!! Thank you big corporations you are so cool! https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a09bc777-5394-48d6-a51c-38a269e7c9e9.jpeg

    arin ,

    Way beyond warming, it’s global roasting

    ghostBones , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

    “Climate change” is obsolete, now it’s “climate crisis”. I suppose after that it’s climate collapse and then climate desolation.

    GataZapata ,

    Climate apocalypse pretty soon. Maybe climate collapse of society first, briefly

    Chainweasel ,

    I’d say climate apocalypse and climate societal collapse are the same thing. Apocalypse doesn’t mean extinction, otherwise how would we have a post-apocalyptic world?

    Gamey ,

    I will drive a fat car and scream like an idiot 24/7! 😂

    original_reader , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

    Does anyone know the true source of this statistic?

    DarkThoughts ,

    It's literally in the image of the graph.

    original_reader ,

    Only the institute. Not the link. Edited my comment with the link.

    Razgriz , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

    If I’m not mistaken, before recording temps earth started as a molten volcano ridden planet billions of years ago, no?

    Compared to that this is just a slightly warmer ice age. We good.

    Checkmate Thunbergers!

    GataZapata ,

    See this to visualize time frames on this kind of stuff

    https://xkcd.com/1732/

    Razgriz ,

    Isn’t the heat causing icebergs to break off of antarctica and melt into the ocean?

    Nature is balancing things out. The hotter it gets, the more ice it drops into the ocean. We are panicking for nothing 😊

    dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

    Relevant: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

    I honestly can’t tell, as I know there are people who are that stupid.

    islandofcaucasus ,

    Just for my own sanity, are you just trolling and I’m too thick to catch it, or do you legitimately believe what you’re saying?

    Cheems ,
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    I’m pretty sure they are just cosplaying a moron. And if not I honestly feel sorry that the public schools failed them so badly

    arin ,

    Guess what happens when there’s no ice left🙄

    Col3814444 , to memes in I wish it was satire.

    Never EVER would I buy a car from any manufacturer that does this.

    Chariotwheel ,

    We said that when the Oblivion horse armor released. And look where we are now.

    At some point basically everyone will do it and marketing will fo the rest.

    Col3814444 ,

    Oblivion doesn’t cost $50k+ to buy. If these greedy fuckers think they can RENT me parts of a car I already own, they can go fuck themselves.

    McBinary ,
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    conneru64 ,

    You might not have a choice if they all decide to do it. Companies are actually kinda good at that kind of collective actions sometimes.

    johnthedoe ,

    When this becomes the norm. I look to the jailbreak community for hope.

    I WILL download a car!

    luthis , to world in Climate change is a hoax /s

    I’m not fully convinced yet… maybe if it was four weeks with records broken every day, then I’d really consider changing my mind. But probably not because it was all made up by Al Gore.

    MavTheHack , to programmerhumor in how am i still single?
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    You could go gay. That would open up a lot of back doors

    Z3k3 ,

    Tbh I’m not supprised I graduated in 2015 with a networking degree and there were 3 girls in my class group (3 or 4 courses with a lot of the same classes) which was about 150-200 students.

    Conversely the nursing classes that were in the same building those numbers were flipped

    ixrk ,

    The same happens at my uni but with cs vs mathematics. For some reason these courses have completely flipped demographics.

    transientpunk ,
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    Did you go to CSUN?

    Z3k3 ,

    Glasgow Caledonian

    transientpunk ,
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    Weird. I thought my school was pretty unique/weird for having comp sci and nursing in the same building.

    Z3k3 ,

    The campus has a few buildings. Some specialised some for general lectures and old skool classes.

    We what classes were spread around most of them during the week

    Worthstream ,

    America is a weird place, Europe is more balanced in general. Back in 2000 we had more of a 60%-40% split in computer science.

    MasterCylinder ,

    I’m guessing this picture wasn’t taken in America, given what looks like Cyrillic text on the projector. Could be wrong, though.

    KuroiKaze ,

    It’s super obvious to me as an American that this is somewhere in Europe. If this were in America over half the class would be Asian or Indian.

    Perhyte ,

    I’m from Europe (and studied CS there). My classes for some courses were about a third Indian, a third Chinese, with locals and other foreigners combined being the final third.

    Of course, I’m pretty sure this photo wasn’t taken anywhere near me either. For me, the clue to that was the Cyrillic on the slides.

    dot20 ,

    Nah, it’s definitely a thing in the Netherlands. I got my degree a couple years ago and we only had a few girls.

    Skaryon ,

    I am gay and have a master’s in computer science. Believe me, there wasn’t much for me in class either.

    akariii ,

    we need more gays(/bis?) in cs

    Written2323 , (edited ) to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

    The installation process and the fear of frying your computer can actually be a no-no for some users. (Not that it actually happened or can happen but some people are just really scared of doing this type of thing) Like the Linux experiment said : we need to have more accessible Linux hardware like we have Windows Laptops and desktops.

    lukstru ,

    Fortunately we have some and are getting more options with the framework laptops, and there are some other hardware manufacturers who have Linux compatibility as a priority

    pfannkuchen_gesicht ,

    has there been a case of linux actually frying a PC in the past 20 years?

    Written2323 ,

    No fortunately lol.

    mkwarman , to memes in Chrome Rocks /s

    And it wasn’t just a 4KB “stick” of RAM or something, it was literally magnetic rings threaded onto wires called Magentic Core Memory. Further, 4 KB implies that it was 4096 bytes, but it was actually 2048 “words” consisting of 15-bits (+1 parity bit) [source]. 2048 words requiring 16 bits each means 32,768 magnetic rings weaved onto tiny wires. Oh, and another fun detail about magnetic core memory is that if you read a value, I.e check to see if one of those magnetic rings is set to 0 or 1, that is a destructive operation. So if you wanted to read without deleting, you have to read and then immediately rewrite.

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