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Quacksalber , to memes in Everyone loves snaps

The apt package of KeePassXC would fail repeatedly to recognize my hardware token. The snap package ironically works like a charm.

Aqarius , to memes in Useless messenger

I thought viber does have a linux version. I distinctly remember it bugging out and filling my storage with avatar copies.

TheOctonaut ,

Read the shitty meme again

Aqarius ,

Ah, right.

sederx , to linuxmemes in Linux mint = best beginner distro

But new users don’t even know what snaps are. They don’t care. We care because we are crazy bastards

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

What's snaps?

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

I am so sorry this got so long. I'm absolutely horrible at brevity.

Applications use things called libraries to provide particular functions rather than implement those functions themselves. So like "handle HTTP request" as an example, you can just use a HTTP library to handle it for you so you can focus on developing your application.

As time progresses, libraries change and release new versions. Most of the time one version is compatible with the other. Sometimes, especially when there is a major version change, the two version are incompatible. If an application relied on that library and a major incompatible change was made, the application also needs to be changed for the new version of the library.

A Linux distro usually selects the version of each library that they are going to ship with their release and maintain it via updates. However, your distro provider and some neat program you might use are usually two different people. So the neat program you use might have change their application to be compatible with a library that might not make it into your distro until next release.

At that point you have one of two options. Wait until your distro provides the updated library or the go it alone route of you updating your own library (which libraries can depend on other libraries, which means you could be opening a whole Pandora's box here). The go it alone route also means that you have to turn off your distro's updates because they'll just overwrite everything you've done library wise.

This is where snaps, flatpaks, and appimages come into play. In a very basic sense, they provide a means for a program to include all the libraries it'll need to run, without those libraries conflicting with your current setup from the distro. You might hear them as "containerized programs", however, they're not exactly the Docker style "container", but from an isolating perspective, that's mostly correct. So your neat application that relies on the newest libraries, they can be put into a snap, flatpak, or appimage and you can run that program with those new libraries no need for your distro to provide them or for you to go it alone.

I won't bore you on the technical difference between the formats, but just mostly focus on what I usually hear is the objectionable issue with snaps. Snaps is a format that is developed by Canonical. All of these formats have a means of distribution, that is how do you get the program to install and how it is updated. Because you know, getting regular updates of your program is still really important. With snaps, Canonical uses a cryptographic signature to indicate that the distribution of the program has come from their "Snaps Store". And that's the main issue folks have taken with snaps.

So unlike the other kinds of formats, snaps are only really useful when they are acquired from the Canonical Snaps Store. You can bypass the checking of the cryptographic signature via the command line, but Ubuntu will not automatically check for updates on software installed via that method, you must check for updates manually. In contrast, anyone can build and maintain their own flatpak "store" or central repository. Only Canonical can distribute snaps and provide all of the nice features of distribution like automatic updates.

So that's the main gripe, there's technical issues as well between the formats which I won't get into. But the main high level argument is the conflicting ideas of "open and free to all" that is usually associated with the Linux group (and FOSS [Free and open-source software] in general) and the "only Canonical can distribute" that comes with snaps. So as @sederx indicated, if that's not an argument that resonates with you, the debate is pretty moot.

There's some user level difference like some snaps can run a bit slower than a native program, but Canonical has updated things with snaps to address some of that. Flatpak sandboxing can make it difficult to access files on your system, but flatpak permissions can be edited with things like Flatseal. Etc. It's what I would file into the "papercut" box of problems. But for some, those papercuts matter and ultimately turn people off from the whole Linux thing. So there's arguments that come from that as well, but that's so universal "just different in how the papercut happens" that I just file that as a debate between container and native applications, rather a debate about formats.

Agent641 ,

I understand less now.

DerisionConsulting ,

Take that person’s post, comparing it to cooking.

Sometimes you use a Library pre-made sauce or spice blend as part of a recipe, so you don’t need to waste time remaking something that is commonly used.

Every so often, a company will tweak the recipe for the things you are using, but it still basically tastes the same. Sometimes they just decide that now it’s salty instead of sweet, so it would complete ruin the dish you would like to make.

The recipe you are using assumes you live in Australia where the new version of the sauce/spice blend is more common, but where you live still only sells the old version.

So now you can either wait for the store to sell the new sauce/spice blend, import it from Australia, or try to make it yourself. But you might have another recipe that still needs/uses the old sauce/spice blend. Needing to have both can lead to issues where you use the wrong one, ruining the food you are trying to make.

This is where snaps, flatpaks, and appimages those dish-in-a-box kits come into play. They’ll have the correct version of the spices/sauces you want, so it doesn’t really matter which version you have in your kitchen.

Snaps branded dish-in-a-box kits are developed by Canonical, and they can be kinda weird. You need to check for updates if you need to re-buy them manually, and you can only get them from the “Snaps Store”. Other dish-in-a-box kits allow you to get them from whichever store you want, and will automatically re-order when needed.

And that’s the main issue folks have taken with snaps. If you have 50+ programs are making a meal with 50+ dishes, and you need to constantly check if you need to rebuy them one by one, it gets old quickly.


Also, Snaps takes up a lot of room, and generally just kinda suck compared to installing things normally or through flatpack.

plague_sapiens , to linuxmemes in Everyone loves snaps
@plague_sapiens@lemmy.world avatar

Flatpak ftw!

odium , to programmerhumor in Data Lake

You’re wrong, I got a data lake of s3 buckets with parquet files at work. We’re totally different.

quigat , to memes in Capital is dead labor

In a ML system, how does labor aquire the tools and facilities they need to do their work? If they pay for it themselves do workers who join later need to compensate the earlier workers?

If bank loans still exist and the workers take one, they are giving some of the value they create to the bank. Again, do future workers compensate past workers who made that sacrifice?

irmoz ,

Simple - don’t go ML

looseanus , to programmerhumor in A good book can change your life
M68040 , to programmerhumor in A good book can change your life
@M68040@hexbear.net avatar

FORTRANposting

A7thStone , to programmerhumor in A good book can change your life

I’m s simple

LemmyKnowsBest , to memes in Neutrality condones the actions of the powerful.

Okay, so can someone please give me an unbiased truth of who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy between Israel and palestine? Every bit of news and meme and comment I see has opposing perspectives. What is the truth here?

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Its all about the power dynamics, Israel has all the power and can end the conflict at anytime and seek peace. They are also an ethnostate where nonjews are second class citizens. There needs to be a 2 state solution where Palestinians have independence and freedom from the yok of the Israelis or a 1 state solution where both sides have equal political liberties. The Hamas attack happened because of the stranglehold Israel has over the Palestinian people and the Israeli response was to strangle even harder. I dont support Hamas, but Israel has actively supported them by refusing to allow Palestinians the agency to be their own state and continueing to steal their land in the West Bank with Illegal Settlements. Israel has murdered a magnitude more Palestinians than than Hamas killed on their attack. Israel had also been treating Palestinians horribly for decades before this attack and its only gotten worse.

Kecessa ,

Palestinians and Israelis are for the most part good people, Hamas and Israel (the State) are both bad guys. With Israel’s reaction more and more Palestinians will join Hamas (just like killing hundreds of thousands in the middle East didn’t solve anything after 3000 Americans died on 9/11 and it even made things worse) and the more people join Hamas and attack Israelis, the more of them are ready to join Israel’s army.

In the end no one wins.

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Except all Israelis have to serve in the IDF or they face jail time. The only Jews in Israel that don’t have to serve are the ultra orthodox Jews who are the ones that are the most devout Zionists. The situation over there is extraordinarily fucked.

Kecessa , (edited )

They have their mandatory military service but as far as I know there’s no conscription draft at the moment (but I might be mistaken on that).

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Mandatory military service = Conscription

Kecessa ,

No, one is required service for a set amount of time no matter if the country is at peace or at war, the other is when people that aren’t in service get called to take part in a war effort.

Turns out in English I should have used “draft” instead

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

You’re all good english is fuckey

Kecessa ,

Yeah I know the word exists in both French and English and I expected it to have the same meaning, in French if you’re talking about a conscription people would definitely know you’re talking about war time.

Metatronz ,

Window dressing distraction from Ukraine anyway. Seems to be working.

Kecessa ,

Well, both conflicts are atrocious and deserve attention, but yes all the attention is on Palestine instead of being split between the two and that’s an issue!

doubletwist ,

The vast majority of Israelies and Palestinians are good people just trying to live their lives.

The leadership of both are the bad guys.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Thank you for explaining. This is a logical explanation and I will accept this one.

seedd , to mildlyinfuriating in Windows 10 keeps bugging me to use a Microsoft account

Use tiny10.

icepuncher69 , to memes in Class War > Culture War

Ultra mega based

Microplasticbrain , to memes in Guten Tag Everybody

I just block em lol

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar
Microplasticbrain ,

Lol im not angry I just don’t understand

yads , to games in Goldkarpen: the cyberpunk netcrawling game

I’m confused it says it’s a micro blogging platform. Is that just a ruse?

someguy3 , to memes in Boy howdy!

What’s the original?

OmnipotentEntity ,
@OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org avatar

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s a WW2 propaganda poster about enlisted men avoiding venereal diseases.

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