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supercriticalcheese , (edited ) to memes in I heard there will be a fediverse messenger.

It would almost give me heart attack, lf I were to see Zuckerberg staring me from my kitchen window like that. And not just because my kitchen doesn’t have a window!

HotSoda ,
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And the government is at your backdoor!

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Hmmm… that gives me ideas. Off to the printer!

UlyssesT ,

You are made of M E A T F I B E R S and he has S W E E T B A B Y R A Y S ready to go hypersus

Roundcat , to linuxmemes in enjoy your freedom
@Roundcat@kbin.social avatar

Me: I know, I'll choose..

Linux community: WRONG!!!

MeowyNinhaj , to memes in My friend had to shut down his Lemmy instance so i am back on my ml account and needed some motivational word art to cheer me up.
@MeowyNinhaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Thank satan, just when i was beginning to lose hope!

anonono , to memes in The only thing this story misses is an eagle somewhere

no open carry? what is this? the soviet union?

explodicle ,

You joke, but these are the same people who think being banned from a server is “censorship”. The joke will become reality, again.

FauxPseudo ,
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

You joke but the people most likely to carry are more likely to support Putin over Biden.

Viking_Hippie ,

Modern Russia isn’t the Soviet Union though, very far from it. It’s a fascist theocracy.

FauxPseudo ,
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The name changed, the number of satellite republics changed. The religion really didn’t change that much other than the orthodox Catholic Church being able to show back up without getting executed. The state held properties got bought up by oligarchs so that’s a little different from traditional fascism where private companies are controlled by the government and vice versa. In the current case the oligarchs tremble in fear so the traditional ties between private companies and government that one finds and fascism doesn’t really work in this situation. So calling it both fascist and a theocracy isn’t in keeping with the traditional meaning of either word. It’s like calling a Tesla a horseless carriage. A lot is different from what that originally meant.

Viking_Hippie ,

The religion really didn’t change that much other than the orthodox Catholic Church being able to show back up without getting executed.

Nonsense. The orthodox Church is as big a power in Russian politics as it was in Tsarist times. They pretty much control the social policy of Russia. For example, the draconian anti-LGBTQ+ laws are, if not religiously motivated, at the very least using religiously based arguments to justify the bigotry. That’s a far fucking cry from “show up without getting executed”!

The state held properties got bought up by oligarchs so that’s a little different from traditional fascism where private companies are controlled by the government and vice versa.

Nope, oligarchic capitalism is very much a pillar of modern fascism. Same in Putin’s Russia as it was in Bolsonaro’s Brazil.

In the current case the oligarchs tremble in fear so the traditional ties between private companies and government that one finds and fascism doesn’t really work in this situation.

Couldn’t be further from the truth. The oligarchs (along with the church) are the power base of Putin, gaslighting the public and keeping him in power no matter how much he abuses the people. Far from trembling in fear, they’re living in a malevolent symbiosis with Putin’s government.

So calling it both fascist and a theocracy isn’t in keeping with the traditional meaning of either word

Yeah, it is. I’ve already explained the theocratic element and, other than oligarchs playing a different role, it’s fascism as it always has been.

In conclusion, you’re talking absolute bullshit and should really learn more about reality before you make assumptions that are completely divorced from it.

FauxPseudo ,
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Oh. I see, you live in a reality that’s 25% different. And you happen to be so rude that you can’t find ways to educate anyone on anything because you are too busy insulting them for them to even take you seriously.

Viking_Hippie ,

No, I live in the real world and I DID just educate you. My mocking tone is entirely appropriate given your arrogant assertions of nonsense about well-known facts concerning a major world power. It’s not my fault that the truth perplexes and offends you.

apprehensively_human , to linuxmemes in enjoy your freedom

I thought I was finally finished distro hopping after I landed on Fedora, but then I found Nobara and then the whole RHEL drama started so I went back to Debian stable but then NixOS caught my attention.

It will never end

Mothra , to memes in The only thing this story misses is an eagle somewhere

If it’s missing an eagle somwhere, I don’t want to know where, just leave it OP thanks

pH3ra OP ,
@pH3ra@lemmy.ml avatar

But I already got the cage… Come on…

_stranger_ ,

That victim’s name? Landeagle Walmart.

Frozengyro ,

Needs a ‘she’s suing them for negligence.’

Assian_Candor , to memes in perfection
@Assian_Candor@hexbear.net avatar

Elon had an extra rib inserted so he could stop sucking his own dick

Not my joke unfortunately

CIA_chatbot , to memes in The only thing this story misses is an eagle somewhere

CACAW! ♬ Oooonward toooo, the danger zoooone ♬

shiveyarbles , to memes in I heard there will be a fediverse messenger.

Got any sweet baby Ray’s in there bois?

ICastFist , to memes in The only thing this story misses is an eagle somewhere
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Title reminds me of this one - www.smbc-comics.com/…/the-most-american-movie

PrettyBlackDress , to memes in I heard there will be a fediverse messenger.
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Why did he even take a picture like that lol

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My guess: AI

demlet ,

AI?

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

100% AI.

Tankiedesantski , to memes in Next level

The sad thing about this type of meme is that absolute assholes will take it as license to be unbearable.

vaultdweller013 , to memes in Next level

Jokes on you ive been damn near feral for the entirety of my life, reject unacceptable embrace beserker autist.

Kalcifer , to memes in I heard there will be a fediverse messenger.

I’m still not entirely sure what problem Sup is trying to solve. Matrix already exists. Matrix supports E2EE through the signal protocol, as well as native federation, and it bridges to almost any existing chat service. Matrix is inherently less secure, overall, than Signal, but I don’t see how Sup would fix this either – for that I’ll have to wait and see. As for using one’s fedi account to sign-in, that’s mostly just up to supporting OAuth, and not some feature that would be unique to the app.

Fuzzypyro ,

How is matrix less secure? If you don’t mind me asking.

smileyhead ,

It’s harder to maintain security due to more complexity of federated systems and Matrix does not have as much global security community looking at it as Signal has.

Fuzzypyro ,

I guess that’s a fair assessment. A counter argument on that statement could be safer due to the smaller user base since it is not as on the radar. Or that the various implementations could be more secure since there are multiple choices in server deployments in a few different languages even. That being said synapse is definitely the most dominant by a wide margin.

Kalcifer ,

I point you to this thread, and this thread for explanatioins from those who are more knowledgeable on the topic than I.

matlag ,

What I don’t like with Matrix is the load it puts on the server. It basically copies 100% of a room content to any server having one or more users registered in the room.

So if you’re on a small server, and one user decides to join a 10k+ large room, your server may collapse under the load as it tries to stay in sync with the room’s activity. This is deterrent to self-hosting or family/club/small party servers.

XMPP, on the other hand, has proven to be highly scalable, has E2EE, federation and some bridging services.

The only thing XMPP does NOT have is a single reference multiplatform client with all basic features for 2023 (1:1 chat, chat rooms, voice/video 1:1, and voice/video conference) than anyone can use without wondering if the features-set is the same as the persons you’re talking to.

And while we’re there: I’m not even sure I want a messaging account linked to any of my Fediverse accounts…

smileyhead ,

Room replication is not as big of a deal for server as it seems. But as server admin I can say Synapse is terrible at garbage collection, the database keeps growing and growing if you don’t make your special scripts to clean it.

Kalcifer ,

What I don’t like with Matrix is the load it puts on the server. It basically copies 100% of a room content to any server having one or more users registered in the room.

Retroactively?? I’m sure that one could configure this to not be the case… no?

So if you’re on a small server, and one user decides to join a 10k+ large room, your server may collapse under the load as it tries to stay in sync with the room’s activity.

“Collapse” meaning what, exactly? Do you mean run out of storage from the volume of content, or that processing all the messages is too taxing?

XMPP, on the other hand, has proven to be highly scalable

How does it scale differently than Matrix?

I’m not even sure I want a messaging account linked to any of my Fediverse accounts…

Out of curiosity, why do you say this?

matlag ,

“Collapse” meaning what, exactly? Do you mean run out of storage from the volume of content, or that processing all the messages is too taxing?

Years back, I setup a Synapse’s server on my personal server (Yunohost). At some point, I joined the “big” Matrix room. Bad idea: RAM and CPU usage went through the roof. I had to kill the server but even that took forever as the system was struggling with the load.

But don’t just take my words for it:

github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/7339

Last comment is from less than one year ago. I was told things should be better with newer servers (Dendrite, Conduit, etc.), but I’ve not tried these yet. They’re still in development.

How does it scale differently than Matrix?

The Matrix protocol is a replication system: your server will have to process all events in the room one or more users attend(s) to. There is a benefit to this: you can’t shut down a room by shutting down any server: all the other ones are just as “primary” as the original. Drawback: your humble personal server is now on the hook.

XMPP rooms are more conventional: a room is located on one server. That’s an “old” model, but it scales.

www.ejabberd.im/benchmark/index.html

That’s for the host. For other attendees, it’s much lower.

I don’t think I atteld any public room out there with 3k users, so I can’t report my first hand experience, this is the best I found. But I never had to check for load issue on a small server (running Metronome and many more services).

Out of curiosity, why do you say this?

I don’t use the Fediverse the way I engage with individual people. If I want a closer relation with someone, I don’t want to be bound to yet-another-messenging system, let alone on multiple accounts

And another reason is I may not want to be bothered by people I don’t know, regardless how much I could appreciate reading and/or exchanging with them in the Fediverse.

Ignoring or declining requests from strangers can leave a lot to interpretation and then frustration. Remove the button and no one is tempted to press it the be disappointed with the outcome. Less drama.

And that’s only considering well intended people.

But these are my humble 2cents.

Kalcifer ,

“Collapse” meaning what, exactly? Do you mean run out of storage from the volume of content, or that processing all the messages is too taxing?

Years back, I setup a Synapse’s server on my personal server (Yunohost). At some point, I joined the “big” Matrix room. Bad idea: RAM and CPU usage went through the roof. I had to kill the server but even that took forever as the system was struggling with the load.

But don’t just take my words for it:

github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/7339[…]

It appears that issue is closed as per this comment:

This should hopefully be significantly improved in the upcoming v1.36.0 release. I’m going to close this for now, if people still see issues after updating then feel free to make a new issue.

So pehaps this issue that you are describing is now fixed?

How does it scale differently than Matrix?

[…] XMPP rooms are more conventional: a room is located on one server. That’s an “old” model, but it scales. […]

This only scales so long as the single server is able to keep up with all of the requests. In the replication, as you have described, all the instances sort of act like load balancers – they spread the individual requests, and concentrate them into single links between the instances.

And another reason is I may not want to be bothered by people I don’t know, regardless how much I could appreciate reading and/or exchanging with them in the Fediverse.

I think I see what you are getting at with this. Would it be like, for example, if your Lemmy account is also tied to Matrix, then someone on Lemmy could send you a request to talk on Matrix? Granted this could already be assumed to occur if one uses the same username for all of their accounts, but it could possbily be more of an issue if it was more directly integrated. That being said, I’m not sure how realistic this scenario would be since the Matrix protocol is completely independent of Activity Pub. The only connection between accounts that I can think of is OAuth.

dragnucs , to memes in Next level

Actually good advice.

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