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pryte , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

What is this based on? Some kind of paper? Were there objective criteras, which were choosen beforehand, and on which the companies were rated, leading to there grouping in these groups?

Or did you just made up 4 cool sounding categories, which you fitted various companies in, based on your personal opinion?

chobeat OP ,

It’s not from me but from AlgorithmWatch, one of the most famous and respected NGOs in the field of Algorithmic accountability. They published plenty of stuff on these topics and human rights threats from these companies.

Also this is an ecosystem analysis of political positioning. These companies and think tanks are going on newspapers with their names to say we should panic about AI. It’s not a secret, just open Google News and you fill find a landslide of news on these topics sponsored by these companies with a simple search.

habanhero , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

What the heck is AI Panic?

btw you missed Meta, they are very significant in the field of AI.

Fedizen ,

The idea AI will destroy or reshape the world.

I think it fits into the idea that people selling AI are pitching it as “this product is powerful either you buy now or pay for not doing so later” and they have an incentive to overstate its power.

habanhero ,

But that’s all marketing, it’s not specific to AI.

Any company that does marketing is looking to create demand and generate interest. Part of generating interest is tapping into your desire , which could include want to get ahead and not getting left behind.

echo64 , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

“AI panic” is such a broad term that it is really meaningless.

chobeat OP ,

ok Elon

graphite ,

wew

AlgonquinHawk , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

This needs far more context for an educated discussion.

chobeat OP ,

In the picture you can see organizations moving in the public sphere around AI. On the left you have right-wing and libertarian think tanks, corporations and frontline actors that fuel a sense of panic around AI, either to sabotage their business competitors or to leverage this panic to project an idea of being sellers of a very powerful tool while at the same time deflecting responsibility. If the AI is dangerous and sentient, you won’t care much about the engineers behind.

On the right you have several public orgs or NGOs operating in the field of algorithmic accountability, digital rights and so on. They push the opposite of the AI panic, pointing the finger at the corporations and powers that create and govern AI

TRSea ,

Hey thanks for adding this context!

jrs100000 ,
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So its basically just a list of entities in the field. With no actual information or reasoning. In a vague and arbitrary mood chart.

DM_ME_NUDES , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

“Our AI is so good, it’s going to start replacing skilled laborers” is a hell of a sales pitch. I can’t even be mad, using panic to market AI is clever.

Temperche , to RedditMigration in Coincidence that Reddit and Twitter are taking the same approaches to monetization?

/u/spez idolizes Musk and copies what he does, that’s all there is to it.

HughJanus OP ,

I think you’re probably right but “that’s all there is to it” is a bit disingenuous unless you know something I don’t.

livus ,
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I don't get why you'd think @Temperche is being disingenuous.

HughJanus OP ,

Because I haven’t seen and they haven’t provided any proof of that

livus ,
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Okay, but maybe don't jump straight to calling someone a liar just because they don't provide proof in their casual comment?

You didn't provide proof in your comment about Reddit losing VC funding due to interest rates, but that doesn't mean you're trying to mislead us.

HughJanus OP ,

Okay well…I didn’t call them a liar so…what the fuck are you even on about?

livus ,
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Sorry for the confusion, I think that's what disingenuous normally means.

Maybe you meant something else though.

HughJanus OP ,

That’s not at all what it means.

livus ,
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I'm willing to believe you, but when I googled I got the definition in my link, which is what I thought it meant.

Can you maybe tell me what you meant so next time I see someone call someone that, I can bear in mind it has more than one meaning?

HughJanus OP ,

Nothing about the definition you posted implies a lie.

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

Dishonest and insincere speech isn't lying?

Okay I don't really see the distinction, but I don't think @Temperche is being dishonest or insincere either.

Anyway, thanks for explaining.

Sibbo , to technology in AI panic is a marketing strategy

Never having heard the term AI panic makes this kinda meaningless. But I guess AI panic is evil, as it is promoted by the typically more evil companies?

chobeat OP ,

You might have heard of singularity, sentient AI, uprising of the ai, job losses due to automation. That’s all propaganda that sits under the concept of AI panic.

substill ,

But how are Microsoft and other LLM companies marketing on AI Panic?

I honestly don’t understand what this graph means. I don’t get what the four sectors mean, how the author decided to distribute companies among the four sectors, or why the four sectors are divided into two equivalent circles.

WindInTrees ,

Neither do I. Not a very good diagram.

markr ,

All I can figure out is the pink side is pure evil and the blue side are our saviors. Given the color scheme, perhaps this is yet another failed gender reveal?

Bipta ,

It's ridiculous to call ideas that have existed for half a century propaganda just because we're now approaching those things...

DrMario ,

job losses due to automation

Oh yeah this has never happened. Brb, gonna go tell all my fellow assembly line workers this concept is total propaganda

chobeat OP ,

automation never reduces jobs. It fragments them, it reduces their quality, it increases deskilling and replaceability. We are not going to work less as we never worked less thanks to automation. If we want to work less, we need unionization, not machines.

ultranaut ,

What’s this about OpenAI having a mission to create chaos? That sounds like “AI panic” or conspiratorial thinking on the surface at least.

MxM111 ,

How is OpenAI evil?

chobeat OP ,

They published a deliberately harmful tool against the advice of civil society, experts and competitors. They are not only reckless but tasked since their foundation with the mission to create chaos. Don’t forget the idea behind OpenAI in the beginning was to damage the advantage that Google and Facebook had on AI by releasing machine learning technology in open source. They definitely did it and now they are expanding their goals. They are not in for the money (ChatGPT will never be profitable), they are playing a bigger game.

Pushing the AI panic is not just a marketing strategy but a way to build power. The more they are considered dangerous, the more regulations will be passed that will impact the whole sector. fortune.com/…/sam-altman-ai-risk-of-extinction-pa…

drekly ,
  1. what is AI panic?
  2. how is OpenAI using AI panic?
chobeat OP ,

it’s answered in other comments

MxM111 ,

deliberately harmful tool ???
I am using it, and yes, it can be inaccurate sometimes, but deliberately harmful?
The link that you gave is not about this AI, but potential danger of some future AGI, which would have to be more powerful than this one.

chobeat OP ,

This paper explain a taxonomy of harms created by LLMs: dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3531146.3533088

OpenAI released ChatGPT without systems to prevent or compensate these harms and being fully aware of the consequences, since this kind of research has been going on for several years. In the meanwhile they’ve put some paper-thin countermeasures on some of these problems but they are still pretty much a shit-show in terms of accountability. Most likely they will get sued into oblivion before regulators outlaw LLMs with dialogical interfaces. This won’t do much for the harm that open-source LLMs will create but at least will limit large-scale harm to the general population.

MxM111 ,

I can only imagine what would happen if these authors were to write about internet.

chobeat OP ,

There are entire fields of research on that. Or do you believe the internet, a technology developed for military purposes, an infrastructure that supports most of the economy, the medium through billions of people experience most of reality and build connections, is free from ideology and propaganda?

MxM111 ,

That’s my point, nearly everything in life have good and bad sides, you have to use it accordingly. Would you believe if I say that a banal kitchen knife can be used to murder people? Those kitchen knife manufacturers released a product which is a harmful tool! And they knew that!

ultranaut ,

What’s this about OpenAI having a mission to create chaos? That sounds like “AI panic” or conspiratorial thinking on the surface at least.

carlosfm , to linux in PSA: the OpenStreetMap-community has arrived to Lemmy as well

Yesterday I’ve seen the other thread, curiosity got the best of me so I registered in openstreetmaps and in Organic Maps I’ve added a missing cafe and a restaurant in my area. Fascinating!

HobbitFoot , to memes in can't wait for the new episode

He already had a submarine episode.

Lemjukes , to memes in can't wait for the new episode

Only a few left now :(

Rawsark , to risa in No wonder Kurzon looked so happy on his death bed in 'Emissary'

Is it startrek equivalent of snusnu?

transientpunk ,
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ProcurementCat ,

Not sure if I should start watching Star Trek after seeing how shamefully they ripped off Futurama :O

Lunyan , to memes in It feels like Nintendo doesn’t want us to play older games until they say we can...
@Lunyan@kbin.social avatar

This is why pirating games that aren't available to be bought anymore is never wrong

Jimbo ,
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Yeah, say I want an old need for speed game, either buy a disk for a high price that I can’t put in my disk drive-less PC or pirate it…

Hmm I wonder which one I will choose

mounderfod ,
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big imo: pirating AAA games at all is never wrong

pjhenry1216 , to memes in It feels like Nintendo doesn’t want us to play older games until they say we can...

They don't even "lose money" in either scenario. They just don't make new money.

Lunyan ,
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Businesses consider those the same thing unfortunately :/

Speckle , to cat in Globetrotter kitties
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Is this real? It’s too cute to be real isn’t it?

athlon ,

Within the EU, you still need passport for a cat if you wanna travel abroad with it. My cat has his own passport.

Speckle ,
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Did the cat have to sign with their paw? Please say yes even if it isn’t true

athlon ,

Yes!..n’t .

Even the photo was optional.

Holyhandgrenade ,
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My parents’ dog has a passport. It even includes the names of the dog’s parents which I find amusing.

jxk ,

I have a cat and have travelled abroad with in Europe, but never needed to use the passport

athlon , (edited )

Ok, to be specific:

  • You really SHOULD have it
  • It is a proof of vaccination
  • Some countries require you to have your cat vaccinated against rabies (such as Germany)
  • If you don’t have such proof, in Germany, they may take your cat away from you for a few days and put him into quarantine
potatisgris ,

Oh no, not my car!

Sorry

athlon ,

Damn autocorrect!

OmegaMouse ,
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It’s a very cute story! Unfortunately not true - this particular cat got an honorary title but it wasn’t a thing that usually happened.

Still, I’m glad they had cat memes even back then!

Facelikeapotato OP ,
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Aww, I loved the idea of it! Never mind, at least it happened once. :)

MyFairJulia , to lemmyshitpost in GNU Car
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The airbags come with the SELinux patch. Also don’t try the GNOME 3 chassis, that’ll introduce a lot of drag and slows your car down. Try the LXDE chassis. Yes, the one looking like a Trabant. It’s very lightweight.

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