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deadly4u , to programmerhumor in optimal java experience

That’s really interesting. Maybe it’s like @nxtsuda said. For a lot of folks, OOP was the way we learned and operated for years

Could they have just asked it differently? Or do they just have Java hate.

SpaceNoodle ,

It’s obviously an embedded role. Java and its developers are notorious for throwing memory and compute usage out the window.

Nechesh ,

If all I knew about java was some of the garbage projects I’ve inherited over the years I might hate it too.

csm10495 , to programmerhumor in Gitar hero
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It would be an awesome open source project to make a git repo with a graph that emulates a song in guitar hero.

Ultra980 ,

Some people have made subway maps of cities in git.

shotgun_crab , to programmerhumor in optimal java experience

I’ve seen horrible messes made in all of the languages listed above, it doesn’t matter anymore

Sanchokan , to programmerhumor in optimal java experience

Ool about it. Where does the java hate come from?

serinus ,

OOP is fine. It’s particularly Java culture that’s terrible.

I never want to see the word Factory in a class name ever again.

When a Java dev writes in any other language, you can tell. Too many layers of abstraction is a key indicator. They make simple problems complex.

I once inherited a C# website project from a Java dev. I couldn’t even figure out how to modify the CSS. And I’m a C# dev.

magic_lobster_party ,

Factories can be good in moderation. If you make factories for every class, maybe you need to rethink your practices.

kboy101222 ,

I was part of a fun era at my university where they switched from C++, which is what I took in intro to programming, to java. So by the time I was doing some group projects senior year, I was working in C# with people who had only done Java.

They wanted to abstract everything. Everything had to be a class. Any time they repeated 2 lines of code it got put into a helper class.

We ran into an issue where the code just would not run no matter how hard we tried and of course no one on the project but me bothered to use git (they would literally send me the zipped up project on discord and I had to copy and paste everything into the actual code). I ended up rewriting the entire project overnight. It actually wasn’t that bad once I got into the flow of things. Turns out none of them knew how to program without being explicitly told how.

Still not the worst college group project though. Maybe top 5.

Aceticon ,

I’ve worked with Java for decades (kid you not: learned it from reading the Java Language Specification 1.0 back when it came out) and there’s definitivelly a stage (often a long one) in one’s career when one thinks him/herself so great at OO and just overengineers every single software design way (way, WAY) beyond the actual objective of behind the whole OO design concept (maintenability and bug reduction), actually achieving the opposite objectives (an unmaintainable POS, riddled with hard to track bugs because of way too many unnessary details having overwhelmed the developer’s ability to keep track of it all).

Eventually you learn KISS design and Refactoring as a sort of housekeeping practice for code and design.

But yeah, as a freelancer I’ve very commonly landed in the middle of maintenance-stage projects with existing code bases that were clearly done by somebody at that oh-so-special stage in their career, and often it’s better to just reverse engineer the business requirements from the application and redo the whole thing (in the process cutting the codebase size to a small fraction of what it was).

denast , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

One thing I always talk about is how DE is much more important for new user than a distro. New users will only use GUI anyway so their choice of DE has to be the most comfortable.

Took me years personally to switch to Linux, trying stuff like Ubuntu or PopOS, and I couldn’t understand why it doesn’t “click” for me until I understood that I simply personally dislike Gnome (being an ex Windows user). Tried a KDE distro and it clicked immediately, never looked back. Now I don’t even use KDE but it helped me to get through initial frustration period.

bouh ,

This is very true.

flashgnash , to programmerhumor in optimal java experience

Man if I were in the US I’d apply for that job in a heartbeat, looks like that was written by a head dev who actually knows what he’s talking about rather than some recruiter

0xalivecow , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?
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I’d say its probably, among other thigs, hardware compatibility issues.

Running Linux on a mashine, most notably portable, that is somewhat recent and is not specifically built with linux in mind is, imo, almost certainly going to cause some, for the average user unfixable, issues. Things like wifi, bluetooth, audio, etc. not working due to missing or broken drivers.

The best way to fix that would be official Linux support by the OEMs, which realistically is never going to happen. Or extremely time consuming reverse-engineered community drivers.

bouh ,

That’s a wrong take. The issue is when you install Linux. Once installed and running, it works fine.

And users don’t install computers. So it’s not their problem. You merely need to not break you distro once it’s working. And if it’s not arch Linux it’s been a long time since I read it can break on an update.

netvor , to programmerhumor in Alphabetically sorted months. But WHY?
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Months are an unnecessary and leaky abstraction, they don’t need to be taken seriously.

I agree with this programmer.

BuboScandiacus , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?
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Preinstall it on cheap laptops.

It’s that simple hard.

xohshoo ,

This was sort of a thing in the brief netbook flowering

It didn’t work

JubilantJaguar ,

But it could do. I bought a mainstream laptop from a European big-box retailer 17 years ago which came without Windows installed and nothing but a Knoppix CD. It all worked great out of the box. It would work greater still today.

The corporate monopoly in OS software is just as outrageous as the one in browser software. It’s time for Brussels to step in.

that_one_guy ,

This is harder than it first appears. Microsoft actually subsidizes vendors for selling machines with Windows installed. So these cheap laptops would actually be a bit more expensive without the Windows installation.

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

That’s why I crossed out the “simple” 😉

undisputed_huntsman , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

Many comments here largely underestimate an average non linux user.

snek_boi ,
NerfHerder , to lemmyshitpost in Time to watch the puddles

Why did I hear this?

fubo , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

Most folks have been sold a story that every new technology they start using is supposed to be “intuitive”; and that if it is not “intuitive” then it must be defective or willfully perverse.

For example, novice programmers often stumble when learning their second or third language, because it differs from their first. Maybe it uses indentation instead of curly braces; maybe type declarations are written in a different order; maybe it doesn’t put $ on its variables; maybe capitalization of identifiers is syntactically significant.

And so they declare that Python is not “intuitive” because it doesn’t look like C; or Go is not “intuitive” because it doesn’t feel like PHP.

It should be obvious that this has nothing to do with intuition, and everything to do with familiarity and comfort-level.

Commercial, consumer-oriented technology has leaned heavily into the “intuitive” illusion. On an iPhone or Windows, Android or Mac, you’re supposed to be able to just guess how to do things without ever having to confront unfamiliarity. You might use a search engine to find a how-to document with screenshots — but you’re not supposed to have to learn new concepts or anything. That would be hard.

That’s not how to learn, though. To learn, you need to get into unfamiliar things, recognize that they are unfamiliar, and then become familiar with them.

Comfort-level is also important. It sucks to be doing experimental risky things on the computer that’s storing your only copy of your master’s thesis research. If you want to try installing a new OS, it sure helps if you can experiment with it in a way that doesn’t put any of your “real work” at risk. That can be on a spare computer, or booting from a USB drive, or just having all your “real work” backed up on Dropbox or Google Drive or somewhere that your experimentation can’t possibly break it.

netvor ,
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It should be obvious that this has nothing to do with intuition, and everything to do with familiarity and comfort-level.

Not to be petty, but I think that intuitive is not that different to familiar.

I mean, the problem is in using the word intuitive when “selling” something in the first place. User interaction involves ton of things, large and small, and the intuitive things are rarely noticed. Such promise is likely going to lead to disappointment.

Adapting to these small differences is a skill in itself.

terminhell , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

Speaking from experience, from a long time ago, and from the people/family I’ve installed it for on older machines: It’s different. That’s 90% of it.

The people that had little to no windows/PC experience actually took to Linux a lot easier not having to relearn/change habits from windows.

MisterD ,

Correct. It’s lack of familiarity. Once Linux gets around 10-15% market share, enough people who know the quirks of Linux to help new people who then Linux will be big.

NettoHikari ,
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Yes, I had my mom start with Linux and she’s confused when she has to use Windows.

xavier666 , to linux in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?
  1. Installation process of Linux is complicated to an average Joe (Bootable USB/ISO file/Boot priority/format <- what are these scary terms?)
  2. Lack of availability of pre-installed Linux PCs at physical shops
  3. Lack of availability of industry-standard software
  4. Confusion for an average Joe due to excess choice of distros/application packaging format. Average people don’t want choices, they want to be guided.
  5. (Minor point) Most available guides for doing something heavily requires terminal usage which can be daunting to new users
Ninguem , to linux in PSA: the OpenStreetMap-community has arrived to Lemmy as well
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I’ve purchased OSMAnd on Android and I love it. But would like to try out Organic Maps.

I wonder: Is there a way to share the maps between the two? Or am I forced to keep both copies?

pietervdvn OP ,
@pietervdvn@lemmy.ml avatar

No. Both package the same OSM-data, but they use a different binary format.

Ninguem , (edited )
@Ninguem@lemmy.pt avatar

That’s a shame! Maybe there’s a place for an “OSMService”, serving maps to apps.

“MApps”?

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