It’s just a matter of time before a lady starts feeding bears from her back porch and the towns are overrun. You could make a bundle trading bear spray for other items that you eventually barter for things that other people have that you want assuming your barter goods have value to them.
The current presidents’ utopian ideology is not what is going to happen to the country though. It might become more similar to Chile or Uruguay or Paraguay, if his first mandate does not miserably fail. Whilst hopefully getting rid and enforcing rules for the future so that govt corruption and budget misuse can’t run as rampant as it currently can.
I hope you’re right. But the ideas of ancaps are going to do the exact opposite of preventing corruption and budget misuse. In fact it’s going to make it much easier. Since the amount of money that the government receives through taxation is not going to go down much, while many programs are being dismantled and privatised. Just textbook neoliberal stuff, the government is going to have to spend more money on privatised infrastructure while social programs, healthcare and education are squeezed. Or worse, privatised and only available when profitable.
Privatisation doesn’t get rid of corruption or budget misuse. It does place it outside of democratic control. If its the rules that need to be changed, there is absolutely no need for ancap ideology. If the rules aren’t helping now, dismantling the government isn’t going to change anything. They either need to be changed or enforced.
Anyway, I think it’s very predictable what policies he will steer towards and since there is an economical crisis, finding support for big austerity measures, isn’t going to be difficult, I assume.
It’s just gonna be a testbed for the inevitable breakdown of democracy and regression into true neofeudalism.
The very few own all the things and the population will be reduced to modern age peasants, owning nothing and working for scraps in the economies owned by their rulers.
Those Argentinians who are not dependent on „money from the state“ are now „very happy“, Poschardt’s acquaintances have told him from Argentina.
Poschardt is not the only one who is impressed. Elon Musk also enthusiastically sharef the speeches of the new president of Argentina on his short message service X…
They work for the people they’re meant to work for.
You see, the problem you’re having with capitalism is that you didn’t capitalism hard enough. Just one less regulation bro, that’ll fix everything bro.
None of these will be feasible, because they didn’t invest in the technology for it, because they were too busy trying to find ways to nickel and dime the poor
If they hide in bunkers, they will just have a much closer view of their very own, very intimate, civil war.
It doesn’t matter what they come up with, it doesn’t matter how loyal their guards are. Someone in that bunker will one day wake up, and decide the old man needs to go.
I read a book by China Mieville called “Iron Council” which put it best: “History is dripping. And red. With the blood of those who trusted the uncorruptible.”
I'm always confused why people think the rich are the ones who will go to Mars. It would be a huge dampener on their lifestyle, and risky ensuring supply lines. There are no ski resorts, yachts, or big game hunting ranges on Mars!
No, they won't be the ones going. They want to send the rest of us in order to outsource the more damaging production 1 step further. Just like we have Ugandans deal with our fast fashion waste and social media moderation now, but even further out of sight and out of mind. It will be an economic and/or literal prison colony. The island bunkers are just a stopgap until they can find a way to not share the planet with as many plebs ruining their view.
Rich people want a legacy. I believe it’s why, for example, Bill Gates started being super charitable and started doing AMAs, becoming the internet’s poster boy, regularly chatting about inequality while offering zero actual solutions (the ex world’s richest man talking about inequality, ha!).
When our current crop of billionaires get old, they’ll likely start doing the same. It really wouldn’t surprise me if in a few decades people are gushing online over how great a guy Bezos or Zuckerberg is.
If the first trip can be a return trip, I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if a billionaire wanted to do it.
Actually staying there and building something, though? Fuck no.
He’s the clearest example of a wanker billionaire who then started publicly pandering to create a legacy of him being a lovely wholesome guy.
He isn’t a wholesome lovely guy, he never was. He’s trying to save face.
The charity money still does good things, and that’s great, but donating money to charity and telling the world about it doesn’t make you a great person.
The likes of Bezos and Zuckerberg will 100% do the same thing when they’re old. It worked wonders for Bill’s image. He and his team have successfully turned him from the devil incarnate to bubbly grandpa of internet teenagers.
Elon Musk says he wants to go to Mars to save the “seed of humanity”. Ummm… save the current planet instead of dreaming about living in space. No grass, trees, animals, nature, breathable air. Takea half a year to get there and the gravity is different.
It is atupid to think Mars is any kind of option. He will spend the rest of his money on his rockets rather than improving the world around him.
There’s no way that Mars will be an option for anyone now living, but it might be in the future. If it takes 100 years, for example, we need to start now to limit the apocalyptic window
You know it’ll be fucking hilarious if it happened. These rich assholes are building bunkers and surrounding themselves with ex-marines and survivalists and they somehow believe they’re not the weakest link.
Yeah, true. You can spend money on resources/people but once you’re there if you don’t have an Economic system there’s no reason to keep working for someone who’s money doesn’t exist anymore.
i think there are multiple ways to ensure that people will still work for you in such a senario, i doubt they are that stupid that they will rely on cash in the apocalypse. If we can think that wouldn’t work out so can they. There are other commodities that you can secure and make sure you are the only one that knows how to get access to them combined with having a few trusted guards that are given a lot of power when working under you which they wish to keep, you can get a lot of people to stay in line with limiting their resources and having a small core of loyal armed men. Before inventing money we still had people rich in other ways that had a bunch of people working under them, it’s not going to be very different after the collapse. Although i do agree with the statement that a bunker unless it’s to protect yourself from a nuke or whatever or long term radiation is not a good idea especially when shared with strangers.
i have been locked in the same building with my ceo making a tiny fraction of what he is making my whole life like most people, i would never pull their finger nails to get money as long as i get enough money to survive, not because i pity them or anything but because im not a psychopath and as long as it’s not completely necessary for my survival i wouldn’t do something like that. Like most people.
you are talking about a hypothetical scenario of an apocalypse but you fail to realize that you are already living it, your bunker is your country, the rich people are the same as your scenario and you are being taken advantage of just like in your hypothetical. If you was to do something you would be doing it now
100%, those idiots will last less than a day. Meanwhile, the rest of the world may collapse, but a society will survive and rebuild. Those rich morons will be some of the first casualties, and they are setting their own doom traps themselves.
The fun thing about bunkers is they have to be ventilated.
Imagine if there was a guilt-free hole in the ground. You can toss whatever in there and its OK. Dirt. Rocks. Used oil. Toxins. Trash. Bodies.
That’s what would happen. And you can’t guard it that effectively, because you need guards around yourself. I think you’re right, and a day is all it would take. A week at most.
I’m glad you mentioned robots, because robots and automation are something I deal with often. I can respond with a question: You’re forgetting how useless a billionaire is, aren’t you?
Robots don’t spring from whole cloth, ready to go. Someone, usually several people, have to make them. And once they are made, someone has to maintain them, charge them, and repair them. Amd it will be left in the hands of someone that Bob the Billionaire doesn’t respect: a mechanic. Someone who isn’t useless, and can disable those robots in minutes, probably in ways you can’t easily trace.
I totally agree but something like perimeter Phalanx CIWS with decent ammo stores would put all but the bravest off for a while surely you agree with that? I’m also expecting one of the first purposes of decent Automatons would be a certain amount of self maintainance/basic repair.
OK, now I see you at the edge of range of the phalanx, hiding behind a rock occasionally holding up a “scarecrow” to see if the phalanx is out of power/ammo yet.
The Rushkoff article this references was interesting and worth reading, but the rehash linked in the post is just a rehash. Saving you a couple of clicks:
I prepare for civilization ending the same way I prepare for anything going wrong. I invest in my skillsets and in the people around me. Why hunker down and conserve what little I have when I can expand and network?
IMO the one thing they can’t escape is themselves. I saw an illustration of one of these survival bunkers, which went ten floors down, with the bottom floor being a huge armory. My first thought was, so it’s going to be nine storeys packed to the brim with entitled sociopaths, sitting on a massive pile of guns?
I’m pretty sure I’ll last longer outside with the cannibals lol
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