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Candelestine , to world in Liquidation of Wikimedia RU [Wikipedia Signpost]

… unfortunate, but his own safety has to come first for him. Maybe just don’t travel to Russia in the first place though.

Astrealix ,
@Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

He’s a Russian, can’t have reasonably expected this lol

antonim OP ,

Huh? He couldn’t not travel to Russia, he’s a Russian.

Candelestine ,

Quite a lot of Russians are not currently able to travel to Russia.

antonim OP ,

Ok, and? It’s completely obvious the person in question is not among those.

Candelestine ,

Really? I think he very much should have thought of himself as one. His mistake.

antonim OP ,

Really?

Indeed. He’s the director of a Russian foundation, teaches at a Russian university, and is being legally bullied by Russia, as you can see from my three-sentence summary. I’m pretty sure you can’t do all that from Portugal or something.

I think he very much should have thought of himself as one. His mistake.

He should’ve thought of himself as not currently able to travel to Russia?

Ok, lol.

Candelestine ,

Yes. If you are a Russian willing to say anything but what Putin permits, you should not travel to Russia. Putin has more say over what happens in Russia than other Russians do.

You may fall out of a window.

dasgoat ,

No no, please don’t get out of that armchair to pick up a book or something. It’s fine to spout nonsense like nonsense like a delirious old man who forgot his medication.

Candelestine ,

You think the FSB having people killed is nonsense…? Are you a Russian ally?

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus, you’re as dense as a block of wood but not nearly as useful.

Candelestine ,

Ah, direct insults instead of actually talking about Russia. I think we have our answer.

vlad76 ,
@vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They also can’t leave.

Unaware7013 ,

And the smart Russians are out of Russia and won't come back.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

I think you misspelled “rich”.

sab ,

There's a lot of less resourceful russian men who fled to escape the draft as well, generally to countries in Western Asia rather than in Europe. But they had better reasons to leave then most.

astreus ,

The privileged Russians, you mean. I know a few people in Russia, good people, that have no prospects of ever getting out.

Being able to pick a country to reside in is a privilege most people can’t afford, and that’s before you factor in only 5% of Russians can speak English and that’s makes up 80% of the foreign language speakers in Russia and you’ve got yourself a very immobile population.

Aqarius ,

Not to mention all of Europe closed it’s borders.

averyminya , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen

That’s interesting, Disgaea has a similar mechanic present in its game called the Dark Assembly, where you basically either bribe or kill the senators to make them vote with you.

navigatron , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen

The game of Mao begins now.

Even more unusual variants include […] a game which, instead of allowing voting on rules, splits into two sub-games, one with the rule, and one without it.

This sounds insane and delightful

aMockTie , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen

This seems super interesting and I’ve never heard of it before. Thanks for sharing!

Is this more of a table top game? I’d be interested to see it as a kind of MMO.

jarfil ,

It’s more of a mailing list or forum game, where you can check on the state of the rules at any time.

It can be played as tabletop, but that involves a lot of handwriting, and who’s got time for that in 2023?

ICastFist OP ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Someone to act as the writer while the rest of the group debates and votes should work. Imagine people then fighting over to make rules such that the writer may never type in specific words!

jarfil ,

That’s doable… if you make it a rule!

In my experience, the game tends to get very “meta” very quickly. Someone could add a rule that “nobody write down the rules”, unless you had the “person X writes down the rules” as an immutable rule, so the moment someone wants to make it mutable… beware!

DarkGamer , to world in Liquidation of Wikimedia RU [Wikipedia Signpost]
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

Unlike the Russian Federation, the USSR seemed to value education.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

Well, except the economics :D

phoenixz ,

Touché

BudgieMania , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen

This sounds like something that would be played on The Genius, I'm all for it

SorteKanin , to world in Liquidation of Wikimedia RU [Wikipedia Signpost]
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

This is really sad.

Jinxyface , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen

That concept immediately makes me think of the card game Fluxx.

Xariphon , (edited )

I learned to play Fluxx from Andy Loony years ago. Awesome guy, funny as hell. Now I wanna find my old decks...

Edit: You ever make any Fluxx Blanks?

Alleywurds , to gaming in Nomic, one of the best concepts of a game I've seen
@Alleywurds@kbin.social avatar

Yeah! Without knowing of Nomic, I designed a TTRPG about gods creating the universe by writing the rules of the game they're playing.

It's kinda like nomic as an RPG. Free here if you'd like to take a peek: https://alleywurds.itch.io/eroding-the-outside-a-game-of-gods

samus12345 , to fediverse in Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I first started coming online in mid-1994, so I never experienced pre-Eternal September.

doubletwist ,

It was difficult, but awesome.

Treczoks , to fediverse in Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September

In case you young whippersnappers have no clue what is so special about September:

Back then, the internet (and usenet, bitnet, talk) community had been nearly 100% academic. No idiots, no stupid loudmouths, no antivax moms, no politicians. Each September was an inflow of new students accessing the net for the first time, and it was up to the existing population to educate the newbies on things like netiquette and overall good behavior. People learned to use free and open services without abusing them. Back then, those newbies were usually quick to learn, so any problem arising from people who might cause issues usually was over within a few weeks.

Then, The Flood came. The Eternal September began. The time where AOL disks were so common that people used them as coasters. The Internet and all the services on it never were the same again. The existing netizens were no longer capable to educate new users on proper, civilized behavior, and usenet posts solely consisting of text like "me too" became common. It went downhill from there. Formerly open services closed up because of unmitigated abuse. One day, even lawyers invaded the net, people despicable things like Sanford Wallace, for example. You newbies today cannot imagine a time like it was before criminals like him invaded this space.

MajorHavoc ,

As part of the eternal September myself, we didn’t just use AOL disks as coasters, we used them for awesome pranks like filling eachother’s cars to the brim with them. It was truly astonishing how many of those disks were around.

captainlezbian , to fediverse in Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September

Plenty of us here weren’t born yet when it started

davel OP ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Sometimes the downvotes are just baffling 🤷‍♂️

PaupersSerenade ,
@PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, there’s this weird agism I’ve seen. Maybe they think the ‘young people’ (30 years in this case) are bragging? I just view it as someone adding their context, nothing abhorrent ¯*(ツ)*/¯

captainlezbian ,

Yeah I meant it not as bragging but as acknowledgement of the reality that for many of us it is so far into the only internet we’ve ever known that as a cultural touchstone it’s lost on us, even those of us in the fediverse/linux sphere.

Young or old, in our society age isn’t an achievement or something one should brag about. But it’s important to keep in mind the wide array of ages present here. Some here lament the death of forum culture, others caught the tail end of it, and still others will need the explanation of why it’s worth missing (and yeah I’m not that young, but I know professionals who are)

The eternal September is to some of us full adults, people complaining about our parents being on the internet for as long as we’ve been alive, which is actually something we can agree to complain about, but people that age are also here

And also it feels like while there’s just the one eternal September there’s also several. I’ve been part of some and I’ve been frustrated with others, and for some I showed up in December and didn’t realize what I’d missed

Overzeetop ,
@Overzeetop@kbin.social avatar

Having lived through it, it really does feel weird though. I (mostly) missed the gasoline crisis (I was a child). It's hard to imagine gas pumps all over the US being out of gasoline, and mile long lines waiting for a tanker to show up so you could get gas. It's pretty much impossible to imagine staple rationing (butter, sugar) during wartime in modern US. I certainly didn't live through it - having the TP aisle empty during covid doesn't quite match that. And the actual (1930s) depression. I suspect those folks would consider the crashes of 87 99 01 08 and 20 minor annoyances - a bad Tuesday - compared to what they lived through.

Think of this, though - you have Covid. Okay we have Covid. That's a world-wide event with life-changing implications for so many. And, we can hope, we don't get another pandemic event of that magnitude in our lifetimes. And a decade or two from now you can lord it over some kid who was born in the last 3 years and just "doesn't understand" that "closing school for three days because the flu is so bad" is not a pandemic, and that they just don't understand what a game changer Covid was. ;-)

davel OP ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

One trick is to tell them stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they call Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah! The important thing was, that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.

not_woody_shaw , to fediverse in Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September

Never was a cloudy day.

queermunist , to fediverse in Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The flood of new users overwhelmed the existing culture for online forums and the ability to enforce existing norms.

That’s not really true, in hindsight.

The real problem was that the tools for enforcing existing norms and protecting forum culture didn’t exist yet. Look around today, though, and you can certainly find forums and boards and other online spaces where a distinct culture exists and its norms are enforced.

Bizarroland ,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

I mean but it is also true in hindsight simply because it is human nature to become eventually disgruntled with change.

Even people who truly enjoy change would hate it if change stopped happening.

It's okay to let people have their nostalgia.

Klanky , to til in TIL in 1893, the US Supreme Court held 9–0 that the tomato should be classified as a vegetable rather than a fruit in Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304, for purposes
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

As someone who works with classifying goods imported into the US under the Harmonized Tariff System, this is super interesting. I’ll have to do some research to see if Customs still uses this rationale. Thanks for posting!

zorro ,

Let us know what you find. Something tells me this is a factoid that will stick in my head forever and I must have updated information.

Klanky , (edited )
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yep, fresh tomatoes fall under chapter 7 of the HTS - “Edible vegetables and certain roots and tubers”. Pretty much every country uses the first six digits of the HTS code, so at some point the WCO (World Customs Organization - the ones who manage the HTS) agreed with that idea.

Also, in their Explanatory Notes for chapter 7, they say this:

" In headings 07.09, 07.10, 07.11 and 07.12 the word “vegetables” includes edible mushrooms, truffles, olives, capers, marrows, pumpkins, aubergines, sweet corn (Zea mays var. saccharata), fruits of the genus Capsicum or of the genus Pimenta, fennel, parsley, chervil, tarragon, cress and sweet marjoram (Majorana hortensis orOriganum majorana)."

bionicjoey ,

Fun fact: the word “factoid” implies the thing is not a fact, but something which shares some similar properties to a fact. In the same way that a football is a “spheroid” or a cinderblock is a “cuboid”

paradiso ,

I’m a humanoid

zorro ,

Oh how interesting. My mental dictionary had factoid as some sort of trivial fact

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

dictionary-toid*

Sadbutdru ,

That is the more common modern usage. I believe ‘factoid’ was originally used to mean a pseudo fact, or falsehood presented as a fact, but that usage is rarely found today.

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