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Chickenstalker , to world in BRICS calls for immediate humanitarian truce in Gaza, South Africa decries Israeli ‘war crimes and genocide’

Israel forgot or plainly hubris that guerrilas fight battles to win in politics. Hamas has won. Today, it is now acceptable to openly criticize Israel in the West, even in the US. The dominoes are falling.

Globeparasite ,

Yeah what do you mean by today ?

TokenBoomer OP ,

The present existence of time.

steventhedev , to world in BRICS calls for immediate humanitarian truce in Gaza, South Africa decries Israeli ‘war crimes and genocide’

How do you find these sources?

This one doesn’t even have a MBFC rating, even though it seems to be the second most popular newssite in Pakistan.

TokenBoomer OP ,

I search for alternative news sources so I don’t stay in a media bubble.

steventhedev ,

So you pick a random news site and read all their articles or do you search for additional coverage after seeing it on somewhere else?

TokenBoomer OP ,

The latter.

steventhedev ,

You don’t worry that limits you to stories that are already covered by your preferred news sources?

To be clear - I don’t think you’re headline shopping, but I think you might be missing out on coverage of topics - choice of coverage is an important part of media bias.

TokenBoomer OP ,

It depends. If it’s a general topic covered by most outlets, most people have probably know about it. So I pass on those. My goal is engagement and informing, so the more controversial the better. I try to find offbeat news that isn’t covered by main places.

Globeparasite ,
TokenBoomer OP ,

Yes. We all should, if only to learn their intentions.

naturalgasbad ,

MBFC guy has no credentials to justify his credibility. Dawn is a hugely popular website and MBFC’s lack of rating is a sign that MBFC’s ratings are poor, not that Dawn is a poor source.

MBFC does ok for mainstream US sources but falls apart outside of them.

nixcamic , to world in BRICS calls for immediate humanitarian truce in Gaza, South Africa decries Israeli ‘war crimes and genocide’

I mean like 2/5 of BRICS is currently actively involved in genocide so maybe they should pause for a hot minute and look in the mirror.

Also I know the current South African government has nothing to do with the government 30 years ago, but something about ZA calling out an apartheid state just seems ironic.

stmcld ,

But that’s exactly why it’s extremely telling when south africa calls israel an apartheid state. Because south african’s know what it’s like to be brutalised and dehumanised under an apartheid state. They see direct parallels of apartheid south africa in israel.

I don’t see it as ironic, i see it as damning.

nixcamic ,

I didn’t mean ironic as in hypocritical, just kinda “oh how the turn tables”.

stmcld ,

Ok i see, it is difficult to read intent online.

Globeparasite ,

So considering they are making this call side by side with china does that mean that being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures is not a problem

stmcld ,

Interesting take.

So you’re against “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”.

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar.

You seem vehemently opposed to “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”. Which is why i would think you would wholeheartedly support the highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

But like i said, like the israelis, you seem to hold one people’s importance above the other.

Globeparasite ,

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

Where did I say that. The crimes committed against Palestinians deserve attention and they especially need to be adressed with the right vocabulary

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar. Again you don’t even read the Israeli narrative, they see those palestinians kids not as having less value but as being collateral damages. Human shields (which they are) almost as much victims of the HAMAS as Israeli, forgetting to see that the tactic of dealing with hostages is not a fight or flight but a problem that can be solved in many ways and that reforming their forces could help a lot.

Oh wait they absolutely do, just liten to the survivor of Kfar Aza who feel Tsahal is 0% able to protect them and are blasting kids to pieces to hide the fact that they can’t fucking get those hostages back

highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

again, read the first line of this post : Have Palestinians been forbidden from speaking arabs, are their children kidnapped to be raised in prison ? Their suffering is different and involves much more high explosive Though that is not the point. I mention the Uyghur to show the hypocrisy of the SA parliament not to make a hierarchy of suffering like you do

livus ,
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Also I know the current South African government has nothing to do with the government 30 years ago... seems ironic

Yikes.

They had a lot to do with it - insofar as the ANC actively fought against the Apartheid Government for years and years. The ANC is now the party in power in South Africa.

Calling it "ironic" that people who were oppressed by apartheid are now opposed to it when they see it happening in other countries, is bizarre. It's a bit like blaming India for the British Raj.

nixcamic ,

Sorry as I clarified below I didn’t mean ironic as in hypocritical just interesting.

livus ,
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Sorry, I misunderstood because of the context.

Globeparasite ,

Apartheid don’t seem to pose any problem when its genocide against the Uyghurs ^^

livus ,
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Why cherry pick the Uyghurs? There are multiple genocides going on in the world.

The difference here is that Apartheid was a very specific political system. It involved people having different rights based on ethnicity, settlers, and Black people being forced to live in "homelands" and needing permission to travel.

Black South Africans have been criticising Israel for having similar policies for many years - decades before persecution of the Uyghurs was a thing. Bishop Desmond Tutu was criticising Israel's treatment of Palestinians in 1989 after visiting.

Globeparasite ,

I took the Uyghurs because I read a bit about what’s happening. I know about it, that’s all and China is one of the most important BRICS.

Oh and the persecution have been going on since the birth of Communist China with Chairman Mao

livus ,
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Okay I get what you mean. Because of China's involvement in BRICS. That's a fair point.

I'm not sure what South Africa's stance on it is. I know they're definitely not in the consortium of African nations that unconditionally supports China. But I'm guessing they're probably keep their criticisms low key for dipomatic reasons the same as my own country (NZ). It's a pity.

I'd be more interested in their stance on other genocides in their own part of the world, but that's not something Western media has ever shown the slightest interest in.

Worth noting though that it was South Africa who hosted the recent African Union peace talks to attempt to end the incipient genocide in Ethiopia's Tigray region. So I don't think it's fair to claim they don't care about genocides.

And like I said, apartheid structures have a special relevance for them that is different to what China - or Ethiopia - are doing.

Globeparasite ,

There’s no one who don’t care about genocides, even the people who commit genocide. Because its never genocide to the perpetrator. I’m sure they are really tough against genocide committed by people they have no relation to. Because that’s what anyone would do (who’s not insane). And points to them for the peace talk. But when they ally with a country currently committing that is sadly a much stronger supports towards genocider in general than against.

And like I said, apartheid structures have a special relevance for them that is different to what China - or Ethiopia - are doing.

Culturally, to the people of South Africa, without a doubt… to their politicians however…

Globeparasite ,

and 5/5 BRICS are trubo late to the party

they made this announcement while negotiation were already well underway for a cease firemost of them are dictatorship who made this call late so they can claim to their population the cease fire was because of them

toomanyjoints69 , to worldnews in ‘Where did your humanity go?’: Qatar minister slams West for lack of reaction to bombardment of Gaza

Lol the slave merchant wants me to have empathy

Palacegalleryratio , to worldnews in ‘Where did your humanity go?’: Qatar minister slams West for lack of reaction to bombardment of Gaza

Go? Was the west’s humanity here before?

MNByChoice , to worldnews in ‘Where did your humanity go?’: Qatar minister slams West for lack of reaction to bombardment of Gaza

An article from early November about what Qatar is doing in the situation., which would appear to be a lot. www.npr.org/2023/…/qatar-israel-gaza-hamas-war

Showroom7561 , to worldnews in ‘Where did your humanity go?’: Qatar minister slams West for lack of reaction to bombardment of Gaza
yogthos OP ,
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imagine being a Canadian and bleating about human rights abuses in Qatar while this shit is happening in Canada 🤡

Showroom7561 ,

Hey, nobody said that Canada is perfect. But at least we don’t murder migrant workers, we give women rights, and don’t jail people for being gay.

Canada also doesn’t make abuse and inhumane treatment of people part of the law, so if these things happen, we seek change to remedy it. 🤭

yogthos OP ,
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First Nations people would like to disagree with you there bud. Canada still occupies unceded native land, regularly does raids on First Nations sovereign territory, and has been running concentration camps for kids in form of residential schools into late 80s. Canada is one of the most deplorable apartheid regimes in the world today.

Showroom7561 ,

First Nations people would like to disagree with you there bud.

We have been making great strides to not only reconcile the horrible things our government did to our first nations people, but to also go beyond that and to actually recognize and celebrate the importance of our first nations.

A far cry from how Qatar treats regular people. But keep trying.

yogthos ,
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No we have not been making any great strides in any tangible reconciliation. Liberals have been making great strides in convincing the feeble minded that there’s any reconciliation happening.

A far cry from how Qatar treats regular people. But keep trying.

Great way to let us know that you’re a racist.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Canadian/Western astroturfers have come in with voting manipulation. Apparently this is a problem becoming common on Lemmy now, with federation being ripe for abuse.

Cockmaster6000 ,

I hope you warmed up before stretching this far

yogthos OP ,
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I hope that one day you bother to actually learned what Canada does to the native population.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Hey can you tell me about those indigenous kids in concentration camps, and about Wet’suwet’en?

Showroom7561 ,

The ones run by Christian churches? Horrible. Every Canadian agrees, and the Canadian Government has been doing everything they can to make up for it.

There’s no denying that Canada, like pretty much every nation ever, has some bad history.

But unlike a country like Qatar, who makes human rights violations part of their law, Canada is making efforts to not only bring those atrocities to light, but to support the victims and people affected.

Anything else?

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Canadian law enforcement literally commits crimes against indigenous people, and wiped a lot of their existence. Canada exists as a settler colony, like the leech that is Israel on Palestine’s land.

Canada paid tribute to a former SS Nazi with Zelensky a month or two ago.

AnYtHiNg eLsE?

Showroom7561 ,

Canadian law enforcement literally commits crimes against indigenous people, and wiped a lot of their existence.

Is this being done because a law says they should, like Qatar’s anti-LGBT, any-woman, anti-freedom of expression laws?

Or are these the actions of bad cops?

Canadians don’t actually want our police officers to hurt people, which is why we protest when anything like that happens. A protest in Qatar would get you jailed or worse, even if it’s only on social media.

Canada paid tribute to a former SS Nazi with Zelensky a month or two ago.

Do you know anything about this story, or just the headlines? Something tells me that you don’t read past headlines.

AnYtHiNg eLsE?

Nah, I’m tired of rebutting poorly cherry-picked examples of things that have nothing to do with Qatar (the actual subject of the OP’s article). But you’re free to hate on Canada as much as you like (we don’t jail people for having an opinion 🤗).

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Law enforcement enforces law. Canadian settler colony enforces the law of the land, that being genocide of indigenous people. It is what many English countries have done. USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand… the list is not very short.

Something tells me you are a fucking liar 😇about the SS Nazi🎉🔥 tribute Canada parliament paid. It was celebrated and glorified.

You do not jail, but you censor and kill people🎆 straight off for having that alternative opinion. And your big brother on the continent threatens to invade Haiti if ICC ever tries any American.😃

Did you forget how Canada kidnapped and house arrested the daughter of Huawei’s CEO for a whole year, because your country’s dog leash owner USA told your country to? Must be brave kidnapping people to invent lies for the English fascist empire. 😊

Showroom7561 ,

Law enforcement enforces law.

Yes, on paper. But a bad cop shouldn’t be representative of all Canadian law enforcement.

Is there a LAW, as with Qatar, that explicitly criminalizes first nations people for being first nation? If not, stop grasping at straws.

Something tells me you are a fucking liar 😇about the SS Nazi🎉🔥 tribute Canada parliament paid. It was celebrated and glorified.

Ay, you really didn’t read beyond the headlines. It’s all there, bud. No need for me to “lie” about anything.

You do not jail, but you censor and kill people

Examples, please.

Did you forget how Canada kidnapped and house arrested the daughter of Huawei’s CEO for a whole year, because your country’s dog leash owner USA told your country to?

Why cherry-pick one wildly complex and prolonged criminal investigation involving three major superpowers and corruptions among Chinese corporations as an example that Canada violates human rights as a matter of law?

Do you have any actual examples of Canadian laws that violate human rights?

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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And I just learned you are just a typical Anglo tribalist that weasels around like libertarians/liberals to gaslight others into thinking they are deluded. Is RCMP even paying you for this internet job, or are you just a braindead Anglo tribalist?

Showroom7561 ,

that weasels around like libertarians/liberals to gaslight others into thinking they are deluded.

On the contrary, you made some incredibly misinformed statements, which needed to be corrected. I’d expect the same if I posted something that wasn’t true or misunderstood.

At the end of the day, I’m not the one trying to defend or minimize Qatar’s long-standing, horrific human rights violations (even to this very day).

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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But you are the one trying to deny or mitigate any mention of or criticism of settler colony (NOT A COUNTRY) called Canada. Qatar is infinitely more humane than Canada merely due to Canada’s existence.

USSEthernet ,

Yea Qatar has no room to talk about humanity. They need to just shut up color. After the shit I’ve seen with my own eyes in their country, fuck them. They only care because it affects their religious brethren.

wuphysics87 , to worldnews in Iran limits medical care for Nobel laureate over hijab

It shouldn’t matter she’s a Nobel laureate

mwguy , to world in "Did you kill a Palestinian?": Anti-West boycott seeps Mideast

Honestly this might be the only way to get a modern third party to take control of Palestine.

Eheran , to worldnews in Iran limits medical care for Nobel laureate over hijab

Pure cancer.

AllonzeeLV , to world in "Did you kill a Palestinian?": Anti-West boycott seeps Mideast

The middle east is attacking the west’s actual God.

Won’t anyone think think of the revenue lost by private shareholders in this deadly conflict?!

CluckN , to worldnews in They called Mandela a terrorist

The guy who died in prison?

appel ,

He died peacefully with his family around him after fighting down apartheid in South Africa.

zerfuffle , to worldnews in They called Mandela a terrorist

Dawn is the largest English-language newspaper in Pakistan.

appel ,

Nice factoid, is there some point you were trying to make with it?

faintwhenfree ,

I read the article, and the biases make sense considering it’s pakistani, it’s not wrong just biased.

TokenBoomer , to worldnews in They called Mandela a terrorist

Very important article. Although a little disjointed with lots of points. I wish had focused more on the similarities between the ANC and Hamas.

FlyingSquid , to news in Covering the Gaza conflict: Western media and the imperfect search for balance
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TokenBoomer OP ,

Free bed bugs. A collectors edition for sure.

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