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Chickenstalker ,

Israel forgot or plainly hubris that guerrilas fight battles to win in politics. Hamas has won. Today, it is now acceptable to openly criticize Israel in the West, even in the US. The dominoes are falling.

Globeparasite ,

Yeah what do you mean by today ?

TokenBoomer OP ,

The present existence of time.

steventhedev ,

How do you find these sources?

This one doesn’t even have a MBFC rating, even though it seems to be the second most popular newssite in Pakistan.

TokenBoomer OP ,

I search for alternative news sources so I don’t stay in a media bubble.

steventhedev ,

So you pick a random news site and read all their articles or do you search for additional coverage after seeing it on somewhere else?

TokenBoomer OP ,

The latter.

steventhedev ,

You don’t worry that limits you to stories that are already covered by your preferred news sources?

To be clear - I don’t think you’re headline shopping, but I think you might be missing out on coverage of topics - choice of coverage is an important part of media bias.

TokenBoomer OP ,

It depends. If it’s a general topic covered by most outlets, most people have probably know about it. So I pass on those. My goal is engagement and informing, so the more controversial the better. I try to find offbeat news that isn’t covered by main places.

Globeparasite ,

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TokenBoomer OP ,

Yes. We all should, if only to learn their intentions.

naturalgasbad ,

MBFC guy has no credentials to justify his credibility. Dawn is a hugely popular website and MBFC’s lack of rating is a sign that MBFC’s ratings are poor, not that Dawn is a poor source.

MBFC does ok for mainstream US sources but falls apart outside of them.

nixcamic ,

I mean like 2/5 of BRICS is currently actively involved in genocide so maybe they should pause for a hot minute and look in the mirror.

Also I know the current South African government has nothing to do with the government 30 years ago, but something about ZA calling out an apartheid state just seems ironic.

stmcld ,

But that’s exactly why it’s extremely telling when south africa calls israel an apartheid state. Because south african’s know what it’s like to be brutalised and dehumanised under an apartheid state. They see direct parallels of apartheid south africa in israel.

I don’t see it as ironic, i see it as damning.

nixcamic ,

I didn’t mean ironic as in hypocritical, just kinda “oh how the turn tables”.

stmcld ,

Ok i see, it is difficult to read intent online.

Globeparasite ,

So considering they are making this call side by side with china does that mean that being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures is not a problem

stmcld ,

Interesting take.

So you’re against “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”.

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar.

You seem vehemently opposed to “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”. Which is why i would think you would wholeheartedly support the highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

But like i said, like the israelis, you seem to hold one people’s importance above the other.

Globeparasite ,

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

Where did I say that. The crimes committed against Palestinians deserve attention and they especially need to be adressed with the right vocabulary

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar. Again you don’t even read the Israeli narrative, they see those palestinians kids not as having less value but as being collateral damages. Human shields (which they are) almost as much victims of the HAMAS as Israeli, forgetting to see that the tactic of dealing with hostages is not a fight or flight but a problem that can be solved in many ways and that reforming their forces could help a lot.

Oh wait they absolutely do, just liten to the survivor of Kfar Aza who feel Tsahal is 0% able to protect them and are blasting kids to pieces to hide the fact that they can’t fucking get those hostages back

highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

again, read the first line of this post : Have Palestinians been forbidden from speaking arabs, are their children kidnapped to be raised in prison ? Their suffering is different and involves much more high explosive Though that is not the point. I mention the Uyghur to show the hypocrisy of the SA parliament not to make a hierarchy of suffering like you do

livus ,
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Also I know the current South African government has nothing to do with the government 30 years ago... seems ironic

Yikes.

They had a lot to do with it - insofar as the ANC actively fought against the Apartheid Government for years and years. The ANC is now the party in power in South Africa.

Calling it "ironic" that people who were oppressed by apartheid are now opposed to it when they see it happening in other countries, is bizarre. It's a bit like blaming India for the British Raj.

nixcamic ,

Sorry as I clarified below I didn’t mean ironic as in hypocritical just interesting.

livus ,
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Sorry, I misunderstood because of the context.

Globeparasite ,

Apartheid don’t seem to pose any problem when its genocide against the Uyghurs ^^

livus ,
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Why cherry pick the Uyghurs? There are multiple genocides going on in the world.

The difference here is that Apartheid was a very specific political system. It involved people having different rights based on ethnicity, settlers, and Black people being forced to live in "homelands" and needing permission to travel.

Black South Africans have been criticising Israel for having similar policies for many years - decades before persecution of the Uyghurs was a thing. Bishop Desmond Tutu was criticising Israel's treatment of Palestinians in 1989 after visiting.

Globeparasite ,

I took the Uyghurs because I read a bit about what’s happening. I know about it, that’s all and China is one of the most important BRICS.

Oh and the persecution have been going on since the birth of Communist China with Chairman Mao

livus ,
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Okay I get what you mean. Because of China's involvement in BRICS. That's a fair point.

I'm not sure what South Africa's stance on it is. I know they're definitely not in the consortium of African nations that unconditionally supports China. But I'm guessing they're probably keep their criticisms low key for dipomatic reasons the same as my own country (NZ). It's a pity.

I'd be more interested in their stance on other genocides in their own part of the world, but that's not something Western media has ever shown the slightest interest in.

Worth noting though that it was South Africa who hosted the recent African Union peace talks to attempt to end the incipient genocide in Ethiopia's Tigray region. So I don't think it's fair to claim they don't care about genocides.

And like I said, apartheid structures have a special relevance for them that is different to what China - or Ethiopia - are doing.

Globeparasite ,

There’s no one who don’t care about genocides, even the people who commit genocide. Because its never genocide to the perpetrator. I’m sure they are really tough against genocide committed by people they have no relation to. Because that’s what anyone would do (who’s not insane). And points to them for the peace talk. But when they ally with a country currently committing that is sadly a much stronger supports towards genocider in general than against.

And like I said, apartheid structures have a special relevance for them that is different to what China - or Ethiopia - are doing.

Culturally, to the people of South Africa, without a doubt… to their politicians however…

Globeparasite ,

and 5/5 BRICS are trubo late to the party

they made this announcement while negotiation were already well underway for a cease firemost of them are dictatorship who made this call late so they can claim to their population the cease fire was because of them

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