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RelativeArea0 , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

I hope they would include addon sideloading as well

mawp , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

Heck yeah, have about 5 or 6 extensions I use on the desktop version I wanna use on the mobile version!

JimBean , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

Hell yeah! I’ve been using desktop extensions in Mull for the last year, but this will mean more extensions are actively developed for Android !!

Firefox is so slick on Android.

supergrizzlybear ,
@supergrizzlybear@pawb.social avatar

You can use desktop extensions in mull?

JimBean ,

Those that work, yeah ;)

Just add a custom addon collection. The most useful one for me so far has been Mozilla’s translation extension, which they’ve adapted to mobile very well. Oh and libredirect, works perfectly even tho it has the desktop UI

ramblinguy ,

You can also do the same with a custom collection on Firefox Nightly: blog.mozilla.org/…/expanded-extension-support-in-…

crowsby ,

Yep, after I found this out I ditched Chrome immediately once they started rolling out Google Search ads that couldn’t be blocked via DNS. Firefox mobile feels a little less smooth than Chrome admittedly, but the ability to add extensions like ublock/darkreader/consent-o-matic make is a no contest in terms of overall user experience.

The one knock is that they took bypass paywalls out of their extension store and the workaround to install it is somewhat cumbersome, so now I’m annoyingly using Kiwi browser for paywalled content and Firefox for everything else. Hopefully this update will make it so I only need one browser again.

JimBean ,

Yes, but no-one should do that if they value stability and security. Nightly is for development, after all!

supergrizzlybear ,
@supergrizzlybear@pawb.social avatar

So you can! That’s awesome, thanks. For anyone who wants to know:

You can create a custom addon collection on addons.mozilla.org

Then to add your custom collection in mull (or ff nightly, I guess) enable debug mode by going to settings > about mull and tapping the logo 5 times. Then go back and under the advanced section you can find “custom add-on collection”

vox , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

no need for beta anymore or are there still some restrictions in place?

Zak , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

That took way too long, but better late than never.

atocci ,
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

It used to be a thing, didn't it? I remember using any PC browser extension I wanted on my phone at some point and I think it was in Firefox.

Molecular0079 ,

Yeah it was removed when they rebuilt Firefox Android on a new engine and they deemed the extension system too unreliable at the time.

squaresinger ,

It was until FF68, when Mozilla decided that it would improve their market share if they rewrote the whole browser and kicked all their advantages down the drain.

JimBean ,

Not really. They announced how to add any extension ages ago, but I’m glad they’ve taken time to get things working properly so it doesn’t feel like a beta anymore.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, if you run beta/nightly, create an account on their system, and add the extension to a collection there. That’s a lot of hoops to jump through, and it reduces the possible audience for an extension developer to a tiny fraction, so nobody has put any effort into building extensions for Firefox on Android.

squaresinger ,

The last point is the biggest one. What’s the point in unlocking additional extensions if about all of them don’t work?

rush ,

They had issues with battery optimization and parity for a while now, but with both those issues being fixed (see: latest nightly) they can finally begin the preparations to rolling out support for ALL extensions :D

SinningStromgald , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

Super excited! Firefox is already great and this will just make it more great!

FarLine99 , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

Such a cool news! Mozilla, go on!

skillissuer , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

why it was restricted in the first place?

ItsTom87 ,

Maybe they couldn't guarantee that the mobile version could run well with all of them? That's what I've always assumed.

GunnarRunnar ,

Which I think is kinda weird decision since they could've just hidden a setting that unlocks all addons in the options. But maybe they were so incompatible at the time that it wasn't worth the headache.

TheLeechiestLeech ,

There is a hidden way to activate more extensions and most - if not the vast majority - extensions work fine.

frogfruit ,

If you use Beta or Nightly, you can turn on dev tools and use a custom addon list from a collection in your user account. blog.mozilla.org/…/expanded-extension-support-in-…

Perfide ,

There is a hidden setting for essentially that. It might be exclusive to Nightly though, idk since all I need is UBO

sabreW4K3 ,
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Because there were enough incompatibilities to make it a hassle. But when they were sorting out the Web Manifest v3, they designed it with desktop and mobile in mind, so new extensions won’t have problems.

bankimu , (edited )

It makes less sense since extensions actually ran on Android, e.g. via Nightly and creating your own list of exceptions. Also if you downgrade and install in an old Fennec version, extension will continue to function if you then update to the latest.

I think the move was an attempt to create a walled garden. But for whatever reason, they have now decided against it. Thank goodness.

sabreW4K3 ,
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It would be nice to have stuff here to break this down

kungfuratte , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

That’s cool

9up999 , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions

Installed firefox yesterday. Nothing really changed or improved. Uninstalled firefox.

randint ,

What is the main reason you (presumably) use Chrome over Firefox? People here might be able to help you solve the problem.

spiderman ,

Not a Firefox hater (I use Fennec), but Chrome is faster than Firefox.

ArtificialLink ,

The difference is these days are negligible. And Firefox is even beaten Chrome in a few tests

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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I switched from Chrome to Firefox in 2019, and I never had a detectable difference in speed

spiderman ,

but people don’t care about tests, they care only about what’s fast and comfortable for their device. maybe firefox might be a better option for users in the latter once the browser plug-ins come to play.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

On my 3 year old budget model android phone, things run fast 99% of the time. I have considered myself a power user for years. Having said all of that, I’ve recently switched from chrome to Firefox on android and it definitely feels not noticeably slower. I don’t doubt you, it’s just that phone hardware has gotten so good that decent software rarely (feels like at least) pushes it to the limit for more than fractions of a second at a time.

spiderman ,

it’s just that phone hardware has gotten so good that decent software rarely (feels like at least) pushes it to the limit for more than fractions of a second at a time.

I second this, processing time and network speeds have been getting better over the years. The difference in speed in Chrome and Firefox is a “little” noticeable but that’s why I don’t care and use Fennec as my go to browser everyday. I mean, it’s better than the days where it will take more than 20 seconds to load a page.

Technology has gotten better, all kinds of people have access to the internet these days and use it to learn something, or watch something they like. But it’s kinda sad that big tech companies have started to be greedy and try to either milk them for money or become a monopoly themselves.

monotrox ,

Yeah website loading difference is negligable but chrome still feels much smoother on android

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Feels exactly the same to me (if not slightly faster due to adblocking). You might just be mistaking familiarity with Chrome for it being tangibly better.

monotrox ,

Ive been exclusively using firefox mobile for more than a year but just installed bromite because I had some issues with firefox. Its mostly that scrolling feels smoother, which might just be animation trickery

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hm yeah weird. I tried chrome just to test and the scrolling is definitely slightly different but I don’t think it’s smoother. Just kinda tweaked differently I guess. Haven’t tried bromite tho.

9up999 ,

In general what chromium browsers have out of the box in firefox you have to install addons to have that functionality and still it’s worse experience. For example pwa support. Worst thing is that websites and now software only supports chromium.

monotrox ,

Firefox mobile has pwa support, which works well for me and I never had a website that doesnt work on firefox (except for google earth maybe).

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

pwa support is extremely limited on android firefox, but I don’t really care. web apps are slow and I’d much rather use native apps…

z500 ,
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It works, but for whatever reason it’ll die and go blank on me whenever I switch to another app, then I have to kill it and reopen it.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Literally was just telling my partner how much better browsing is since switching to Firefox on android. The ability to install extensions period is a huge upgrade, but also there are several available that are fantastic and not features available on chrome. Not sure what you mean about needing extensions to match chrome features. In fact, none of the extensions I’ve installed are features present in chrome. Plus I can block ads and trackers, activate dark mode everywhere, and use YouTube for audio with my screen off. I am kicking myself for being lazy. On top of giving Google personal data for no reason, I’ve had a worse browsing experience for years.

pazzeda ,

For YouTube, check out ReVanced on GitHub

jadedctrl ,

Better yet, check out NewPipe on F-Droid. :^)

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Hell yeah! It even performs better for me than either ReVanced or the official YouTube app

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I prefer LibreTube =)

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Or LibreTube!

idle ,
@idle@158436977.xyz avatar

I still use it but I have to say the fact that the page auto-refreshes when you leave the app and come back drives me bonkers.

NeonWoofGenesis ,
@NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi avatar

Maybe your phone runs out of ram?

Or is it the 4 hour idle setting?:

https://l.henlo.fi/pictrs/image/36199f9a-da20-4d49-a122-c9e37e083c16.png

EvilColeslaw ,
@EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org avatar

If it’s not that feature, it’s likely either memory tuning or battery optimization stuff. Some phone manufacturers set those values to levels that are more aggressive than they really need to be, leading to processes being terminated in the background when they ideally shouldn’t.

ExLisper ,

It’s funny how some people are willing to use weird android mods that can’t run half of the apps to protect their privacy while others can’t even wait 0.01s longer for a page to load.

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  • LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    Good point. Privacy usually means sacrificing some level of convenience.

    Meanwhile, I find most of these convenience tools such as the “Modes and Routines” app and Google Maps timeline to be creepy and dystopian as fuck.

    ExLisper ,

    Personnaly I do realize that 99.99% of people run stock android/iOS but sometimes forget and am surprised that the same people don’t have any ad blocker.

    FaeDrifter ,

    It’s 3 clicks to install AdBlock on Firefox mobile and that alone instantly makes it superior to Chrome.

    1984 ,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    Ublock origin is better I believe.

    FaeDrifter ,

    Ublock origin is actually #1 on top of the list and the one I have installed, I was using “adblock” as a generic term.

    As far as I can tell, chrome mobile does not support ublock origin like firefox mobile does.

    addison , to android in Prepare your Firefox desktop extension for the upcoming Android release

    This sounds like great news!

    Firefox is already at the top of my list of preferred browsers on Android, but more extension support has always been on my feature wishlist.

    MaggiWuerze ,

    You can do that now with a custom extension list

    RobotDaniel ,

    You do need firefox beta rn.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    It also works on the Fennec branch for people who want a fully stable build that has full addon support, but yeah this is going to open it up to a lot more people, so hopefully more people will use Firefox

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    It also works on the Fennec branch

    Is that still supported in some shape or form?

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s just regular Firefox with the addon restrictions and trademarks removed,. That doesn’t just magically spawn API support. I thought you meant the 68.x branch which actually had broad extension support and received one additional update over Firefox 68 because the ESR branch was further updated for a bit: apkmirror.com/…/fennec-f-droid-68-12-0-release/

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    In 2023, everyone I know refers to the version I linked as the Fennec branch. I guess I assumed you were too.

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I was a bit hung up on the term ‘branch’ because in my understanding Fennec F-Droid falls more under patch set. Mozilla used Fennec as code name for Firefox Mobile before the GeckoView migration and I had hoped the old Fennec branch would live on in some shape or form.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Yeah I’m aware of that name’s origins. People use “branch” to describe Waterfox and Mull as well. If you ask about “Fennec branch” in current year, it’s what I’ve linked. Nearly anyone who talks about it is referring to that. Just a heads up.

    squaresinger ,

    I so miss FF 68. It was so much better than the current version.

    At least some of the missing features from 68 have been restored by now.

    Zak ,
    @Zak@lemmy.world avatar

    Its current poor extension support is the reason I’ve been using Kiwi Browser, which is a basic Chromium build with full extension support, including loading from local storage.

    ijeff ,
    @ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

    Same here. I use custom collections on Fennec F-Droid but the inability to properly sideload keeps me on the auto rebased builds of Kiwi Browser. That and support for the black OLED theme and night mode website retheming built in.

    Very glad to see this come to Firefox though! Hopefully they can also get those other bits added in.

    Ultra980 ,

    Same here.

    jayandp ,

    That and Kiwi is the only Android browser with proper developer tools.

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    At least when using Kiwi in desktop mode (via Samsung DeX), Kiwi doesn’t fill out passwords for me. There also is no interest in supporting Firefox Sync.

    gabriele97 , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    Nice. What I need now is the ability to group tabs together

    berg ,

    Have you tried sidebery? When I found tree layout for tabs to be a thing I haven’t looked back.

    gabriele97 ,
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    Thank you! I am going to install it right now on my desktop PC. I was referring to the android version btw 😂

    berg ,

    Ahh, of course, that should’ve been obvious 😅

    nx2 , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions

    Yesssss

    twistedtxb , (edited ) to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions
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    For those who don’t know yet: Firefox Nightly for Android let you install any extension you desire.

    You just need to create a custom collection on the web site and link your ID in nightly.

    GunnarRunnar ,

    Same for Firefox forks, Mull and Fennec.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Yep. I always mention Fennec who may hesitate to use Beta since it’s a stable release with full add-on support.

    I’ve never tried Mull.

    GunnarRunnar ,

    Not an expert but as I've understood it it's pretty similar to Fennec, less tracking and more private than your regular Firefox. I don't know anything about either ones development team size or activity either so I can't recommend one over the other. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can chime in.

    Zenaida_macroura ,
    @Zenaida_macroura@lemmy.ml avatar

    Mull’s made by the people at DivestOS

    They have a browser comparison of some popular android browsers including Fennec and Mull divestos.org/pages/browsers

    MaggiWuerze ,

    You can also just use the collections of other users

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Like mine, for those who don’t want to curate: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/…/p1xiekat-Android/

    MaggiWuerze ,

    Maybe add PrivacyBadger, Consent-O-Matic, and DarkReader

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Noted and added!

    MaggiWuerze ,

    Nice, I also added LocalCDN to my own list.

    TheLeechiestLeech ,

    Firefox Beta as well.

    frogfruit ,
    cupcakezealot , to technology in Mozilla will open Firefox for Android for more extensions
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    God I miss the old Firefox for Android :(

    pjhenry1216 ,

    Are you suggesting this is bad? What was better about "old" Firefox for Android?

    Vuipes ,
    @Vuipes@kbin.social avatar

    It had a tab bar.

    MonkderZweite ,

    It had addons without collections.

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    No, this is similar to the old Firefox for Android, which is why I like it.

    When you could just browse AMO and add an add-on at will. It was also much smoother.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    I agree with you. This is going to be a huge improvement and hopefully get more people to switch from Chrome.

    Hopefully it’s a sign of more good things to come.

    vox ,
    @vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

    just use collections and firefox beta

    noodlejetski ,

    It was also much smoother

    now that’s just rose-tinted glasses speaking. I remember how absolutely abysmal old Firefox’ scrolling was, and how they’ve claimed multiple times that they’ve improved it but it was still horribly sluggish compared to Chromium browsers. I’ve been using Firefox Preview (and then Nightly after enough performance improvements have landed on it) for about a year just to have acceptable experience on mobile.

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Honestly the one thing I don’t like is how pages constantly refresh when you alt tab (or w/e the equivalent is on Android - swipe tab I guess?). I know it’s a small thing but it just gets at me. I also like the old UI as it was more Firefox-y; the new one is too white and plain.

    noodlejetski ,

    I do miss the tab bar, it would be great to have it on the tablet. I can’t comment on how differently the browser behaves now regarding storing loaded pages in memory though, because most of the time I’d have an underpowered phone that would kick out everything out of memory when switching apps anyway.

    Audalin ,

    Huh, I’m still using it.

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