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jet , to technology in France’s browser-based website blocking proposal sets a disastrous precedent for the open internet

I’m philosophically against this idea. But on the other hand why is this being implemented in the browser? Why isn’t France asking it’s ISPs to block the hosting address of the sites. Or the DNS. Going after the endpoints it seems silly. Because now every single browser in the country is going to have a list of the " good websites ".

evilviper ,

I’d imagine it’s easier being the bad guy to a bunch of american browser companies rather then to all your local ISPs.

NeonPayload ,

because it’s easier to get around with a vpn, but if it’s at the software level it wouldn’t be as easy. They could make it so only France approved browsers could be downloaded.

Jomn ,
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France already does DNS blocking. It honestly has near to no impact, since targeted websites (usually digital piracy related stuff) just change the domain.

jet ,

I think most governments who roll out censorship infrastructure don’t really care about whatever they’re actually censoring, they have some juicy target that will come along later like a political rival they miscategorize. To cut them off. They’re building the toolbox they don’t care about the excuse.

So yeah pirate sites give them an excellent reason to say oh we need better tools, but they don’t care about piracy, not really

Im28xwa , to technology in France’s browser-based website blocking proposal sets a disastrous precedent for the open internet

Hell no, what a fucking stupid idea

otter , to technology in France’s browser-based website blocking proposal sets a disastrous precedent for the open internet

Could companies just refuse, and place a “this product is not available in your country” on the download page

If people download the incompatible browser anyways then ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

aranym OP ,

Theoretically yes, but I’d think that would just result in users switching to browsers which do comply with the law (Chrome, probably)

Taleya ,

…you do not understand users.

aranym OP ,

Do you genuinely believe an average computer user, when presented with a block page, would attempt to circumvent it?

Maybe a small minority would, but overall I find it extremely unlikely. It takes a lot less effort to just download an alternative.

Taleya ,

The average computer user is terrified of change so if they couldn’t dl chrome they’d mass google 'how to download chrome when blocked ', then land on a reddit thread of people complaining they can’t dl chrome where someone posts the exe or msi and leap on it.

aranym OP , (edited )

We’ve already seen this play out in several countries where web blocking is widely implemented (eg Russia, China.) People (generally) flock to state-endorsed alternatives rather than going through the effort of finding bypasses.

(As an aside, Chrome would probably comply with it. It’d be a lot more damaging for them than smaller browsers to block the entirety of France.)

Taleya ,

China’s a bit of a bad example as it’s got extremely heavy cultural indoctrination that reinforces the tactic - and even then it’s not entirely successful.

Russia is notoriously the home of lip service while violating the letter of the law in every way imaginable

AnonTwo ,

I feel like Google isn't likely to go with this, as someone could eventually attack their search engine which would be difficult to workaround.

simonced , to technology in France’s browser-based website blocking proposal sets a disastrous precedent for the open internet

If they don’t want browsers to access the site, why keeping the site open in the first place? And if only regulated people have to access it, they can just share a ssh key or something to grant access, I don’t see big problems here. Am I missing something?

Black_Gulaman ,
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It can be used by the state as a tool for oppression. Not necessarily to be used as proposed originally, like what the US did during their war on terror.

shortwavesurfer , to technology in France’s browser-based website blocking proposal will set a disastrous precedent for the open internet

Could you imagine what would happen if Google, Apple, Mozilla, etc said “okay, you just can’t have a web browser in france”

assassinatedbyCIA ,

The french government will just make their own web browser and we’ll be well on our way to the great firewall of france.

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