Still, seems like an improvement on the path humanity was on of having periodic global bloodbaths over individual human egos and the nationalism others attach to it. We still have bloodbaths over those issues, don’t get me wrong, just smaller scale overall.
And nobody please mention Switzerland as an example. Yes, we have lots of guns but they aren’t meant for self-defense outside some very narrow exceptions. Thankfully we can trust our police to do their work and they are usually very well trained.
Haiti made the wrong choice of demanding freedom from slavery before European powers were ready to adapt to life without human chattel. We’ve never let them forget that.
Once Haiti declared independence, they invaded Santo Domingo, effectively ending Spanish occupation of that part of the island. Slavery ended up being abolished by default once the Spanish were removed in 1822.
Well, Haiti did kill most of their masters when they rebelled against them. (Which I honestly can understand given the especially awful brand of slavery that was going on there)
Also, while France is to blame for the insane “reparations” that have been forced upon Haiti, they ultimately sold their debt to some wall street banks, who pressured the US government to invade Haiti (on more than one occasion iirc) to force them to take loans with high interest rates in order to repay the debt (and create more).
When I learned about that I couldn’t wrap my head around the fact that forgiving the debt was apparently never an option for anyone involved. So, fuck the banks and also fuck the USA.
“All the guns here are from the US, everybody knows it. If the US wants to stop this, they could easily do it one month!”
Man, I’d believe that there’s arms smuggling from the US, but we can’t fully stop drug smuggling through the Carribbean, and we’ve used aerostat radars, helicopter-borne snipers, satellite surveillance, and you name it, have a ton of resources allocated to it, have been banging on that for decades. Why do you think arms smuggling is more amenable?
Hint: all the guns here are from anywhere that makes guns. This is sadly not special treatment for Haiti. The US is the source for all the guns including the Russian made ones. It isn't personal. It's just business. And a business doesn't care whom they maim and kill in their lust for cash unless forced by Law to care.
You really won’t see this in the USA, because few people even reach the border. After September 11, the United States is fine with eliminating threats. For example, the United States knew about this attack for 2 weeks.
UPD: I also remind you that after September 11, the United States did not limit itself to one person but beat up an entire country
I mean… knowing it’s likely a CIA funded attack, Russia didn’t really have any option other than to say it was the group that allows them to continue their war in the Ukraine.
Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world
Oh, believe me, I tried. Paradox of tolerance, yadda yadda yadda.
Best I can do right now is let people know there’s no point in engaging with trolls. We don’t want to encourage them and give them a platform they’ll use to spread their nazbol propaganda.
Well dont stop, continue. Only in dialogue can we defeat our differences.
Otherwise you seperate and isolate people, and strengthen they’re belives.
There are people that you can show all the facts and logic and proof and they are not going to believe. Those people I refer to as stupid. ( I dont call em that. No need to be rude). Dont be such a person yourself.
Hence, always try to engage in dialogue and be flexible enough in your worldviews. But also know some people are not and there is nothing you can do.
But other people reading this will see you be right.
Nazbol? What does this dead movement have to do with anything?
The topic of discussion is how to prevent them from doing any harm, rather than which space crocodile is secretly controlling us with mind-control lasers, or whatever their lunacy-of-the-day may be. This is a win. They’re being exposed without giving them the satisfaction of censoring them. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
This is not high-school debate club. Anyone with a modicum of media litteracy knows you don’t give a platform to Russian shills, or anyone peddling any kind of similarly lunatic propaganda for that matter. If you want to know more, read their post history. The reason that you don’t do that is that the minute they get sufficient mindshare, they’ll be more than happy to bend the rules of civil discussion. We’re talking about people defending China and its censorship, after all.
And look, you’re more than welcome to criticize American imperialism and liberal hypocrisy. But shilling for authoritarian regimes is a red line any leftist worthy of the name should not cross.
And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.
So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.
You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.
A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.
Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.
Are you referring to the blowing up of a right wing extremist pro war blogger, inside the cafe of the wagner boss? Attended by fans of the blogger and his work calling for the extermination of Ukranians?
Because a link to Ukraine is only available by accusation by the person who did it, after she was arrested and in the hands of the Russian government for some time.
And judging by how the Russian security services treat their captives, I can imagine they will say whatever they need to in order to make the hurting stop or be less.
Presumably because they couldn’t find any Ukrainians to pin the blame on.
I’m somewhat skeptical about if these people are actually responsible, since I would have thought that a properly organized terrorist would actually leave the country pretty pronto.
A bunch of footage of what exactly? These individuals with their faces uncovered demonstrating they were the ones that committed the act I don’t think so.
This is a pretty big shift for the US, and it means the pressure is finally starting to really register with Biden. If the “uncommited” results in the Michigan primary were enough to get his attention, recent polling that puts him 8 points behind Trump likely changed the debate for the foreseeable future.
Biden is playing diplomatic chess. Netanyahu warned the US before the vote that Israel would not participate in a meeting if the US didn’t use its veto. So, now the US didn’t. BTW, Hamas launched rockets at Ashdod right before the Security Council voted confirming its status as an equal fighting party in the war before a ceasefire.
Certainly not, but he definitely cares about the 100,000 people that voted uncommitted in Michigan and the littany of polls that show a majority of Democratic and young voters not supporting current US foreign policy.
It’s not about people changing their minds. Centrists don’t really exist. It’s about motivating people to actually fucking vote. When people vote, Dems win. When Dems are unpopular, people don’t vote and Rs win because they vote no matter what.
If you can write out the math where I, voting 3rd party, add to Trump’s total, I will completely concede to your point and vote for the genocidal old man.
The uncommitted movement got 100K votes Michigan, and within days the Biden administration started a complete 180 on Israel. It’s more than a few Twitter users and he clearly cares very deeply.
Of course the sentence is relevant. I’m not sure why I should bother writing a reply to you when you apparently stop reading them after the first word. Have a good day.
It’s not selective reading. If I make a statement and you say “No” that mea s you’re refuting that statement.
Then their second sentence had nothing to do with wether they think these politics are simple or not, hence why I didn’t quit it.
The OP is just using bad faith arguments to distracts from that. Which is why they don’t even attempt to deny it and just criticise the fact I didn’t quote their entire comment instead of responding.
No, you didn’t read it properly, and I’d say you’re arguing in bad faith or you just cannot read properly as everyone else seems to have done just fine. Ignoring so much of their comment then their intention afterwards makes you look silly. You are wrong, your understanding is wrong.
Then why can’t the OP nor you/ anyone else actually give an explanation, or even so much as give a response to an INCREDIBLY simple question. Of “do you think international diplomacy is that simple?”
Again. The conversation went
Me: diplomacy isn’t that simple
SB: No. Shouting genocide Joe worked.
The first sentence is them denying my point that diplomacy isn’t simple. The second sentence is tangential to that point. And does nothing to explain why they think diplomacy isn’t actually simple. He’ll I’m not even denying their se and point. Shouting genocide Joe did put pressure on Biden that did shape foreign policy in some small way. But again, its not relevant to the point I was making, so didn’t quote it.
Which is why the other commenter is acting in bad faith when they completely ignore my point because I didn’t quote their tangential point in my second comment.
I thought this would be fairly obvious to anyone with literacy skills but apparently I need to wrote whole paragraphs to explain what someone replying “no” means.
The best time to abstain would have been decades ago, but the second-best time is now. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good; this was a good choice.
Edit: The downvotes are hard to interpret. Do people think the US abstaining (and thus allowing the resolution to pass) was not a good choice?
To be absolutely clear for those who for some reason still aren't understanding it at this point, choosing to abstain from voting on this resolution was the same as voting to support it. The US could have blocked this resolution and instead decided "no, we'll let this one through." Given that they could have blocked it but made a conscious decision not to block it, knowing that by not blocking it the resolution would pass, that was a decision in favor of this resolution.
Do you understand the political mess involved in the ties between USA and Israel? There’s multiple factions whose support is conditional on WH supporting Israel. Biden isn’t just negotiating with Netanyahu, he’s negotiating with the rest of his own party and donors. He wouldn’t be able to vote for in UN without consequences, like political factions and donors moving to R instead.
So the months of coordinated efforts to by activists to disrupt Democratic meetings, harass Democratic politicians, chant genocide Joe, vote uncommitted in primaries, block traffic, support BDS efforts etc. was actually an effective method of protest that had a small but meaningful effect in changing foreign policy?
The methods of protest the state wants us to think are successful and the methods that can actually succeed are usually not the same. Please take note.
And will they reward Biden for listening or reinforce the idea that there’s no point trying to please the progressive left by finding some other reason to get upset and not vote?
I don’t think the progressive left is why Hillary lost. Certainly, people choosing not to vote because she was centrist had an impact, but I don’t think there were really enough “Bernie or bust” folks to be solely responsible. You actually had a higher percentage of Bernie voters going for Hillary in 2016 than you did Hilary voters going for Obama in 2008.
You had like five different factors and a pretty tight final margin. No one factor was responsible. Comey’s letter, Hilary being center, Russian meddling, online misinformation – all of it is partially but not wholly responsible.
Ah, you must be a “progressive” who cares more about being right and owning the libs than actually advancing a progressive agenda. I much prefer prioritizing progressive goals and making progress towards them. This UN resolution is a step, and Netanyahu’s petulant reaction to it only makes it more likely that we take more right steps in the future. I’ll continue to celebrate those and hope Biden moves in the right direction, instead of scoffing about “how I was right” in 2016.
And for that matter, I seem to recall a lot of “progressives” saying Biden would lose in 2020 and Democrats would be destroyed in 2022 – yet, i don’t see you mentioning those predictions. You’ve only got 1 out of 3 right there. I’m sure however in 2026, regardless of how this year goes, you’ll still mention how you were right about 2016, won’t you?
I think there’s two sides to this. Criticizers shouldn’t suddenly fall in line because we’ve made progress, but they also shouldn’t pretend that nothing’s happened.
The right answer is to give credit to Biden for listening this much, and continue to push for more. I agree though that overall, this action should earn him more progressive votes – just not all of them, and not with all criticism disappearing.
There’s a flip side to the politics: criticism from the right-wing pro-Israel faction is quieter than usual because a separate group of anti-semites have gained power in the Republican party.
Normally, Biden wouldn’t have much incentive listen much to the far left, but right now he’s not paying much in costs from the other side.
No, he really doesn’t, because of winner takes all elections and the two party system. The Nash equilibrium is for both major party candidates to align their platforms right on the 50% median voter. This maximizes the votes for both of them.
In this specific upcoming general election, Biden’s base voters have nowhere to go to except the Cheeto fascist. Not much reason to cater to their policy preferences–they don’t have a real choice. That’s been reflected in the chatter on Lemmy as well.
You understand there is no such thing as a median voter. They are only issues and most voters have one or two issues they won’t compromise on. Biden is alienating younger and Muslim voters. If Biden was converting 1+ Trump voter for every voter he loses, you might have a point. But there is no evidence he is netting votes from this. That makes no sense in an election that’s fighting against authoritarianism.
Why can’t we agree Biden that needs to go all out to win this thing?
All appeared to have been beaten - videos of brutal interrogation sessions were apparently leaked by Russian security forces, and reports suggest at least one had suffered electric shocks.
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The men the court identified as Mirzoyev and Rachabalizoda had black eyes and the latter’s ear was heavily bandaged - reportedly from it being partially severed during his arrest.
Mirzoyev also appeared to have a torn plastic bag wrapped around his neck.
The face of the man identified as Fariduni was badly swollen, while the man named as Fayzov appeared to lose consciousness as he was brought into court in a wheelchair wearing a thin hospital gown.
He appeared to have an eye missing, according to the Reuters news agency.
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A court statement on the Telegram messaging service said Mirzoyev had “admitted his guilt in full”, while Rachabalizoda also “admitted guilt”.
Anyone will admit guilt if you do that to them. Is there any actual evidence that these men were the ones who attacked the concert hall?
Oh well I guess that’s definitive evidence then. Clothing is a unique unreplicatable item, everyone knows that.
Russia didn’t even believe these attacks were going to take place, I refuse to believe that they’re able to catch the culprits this quickly, there’s a level of organization and skill that they’ve never previously demonstrated.
Most people I saw on here were critical of being uncommitted towards the general election and don’t care about being uncommitted during the primary. Several states don’t even hold a primary for the party if they are currently holding office.
To add to that, they mostly agreed that Trump would tell Israel to finish the job, and they were right, that is what he ended up saying. Voting against Biden would in fact doom Gaza to genocide.
What’s the point israel would have bombed them indiscriminately anyway? Apparently killing tens of thousands of palestinians is justified for 1500 hostages.
But what about the Hamas that’s hiding behind all the Humans, and not to mention the beheaded babies. Isn’t it a bit too early for a ceasefire, since Israel hasn’t gotten its vengeance?
I remember when Nazi Germany said they didn’t want to harm Jews, they just wanted them out of Germany, then they decided that all of Europe should belong to Germany, and then blamed the Jews for forcing their hand to violence by continuing to exist.
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