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yogthos , to worldnews in 90% of Ukrainians support joining EU, 73% support joining NATO
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Literally about everything. Your claim that Ukrainians outside of Donbass are uniformly pro regime is not based in reality. This is likely true for parts of western Ukraine, but certainly not true for Ukraine as a whole. Especially places like Odessa or Kharkov.

Sweden and Finland are not gaining any actual protection going forward. In fact, they’ve put themselves in a much more dangerous position by renouncing neutrality. As many experts have repeatedly explained, the reason Ukraine is in the situation that it’s in is precisely because of its ambitions to integrate into NATO.

I strongly encourage you to read this report from the Royal United Services Institute in UK that clearly explains why NATO cannot offer any real protection to countries.

The reason there isn’t any pressure from the governments backing Ukraine to return to “freedom and democracy” is because those governments do not give a shit about these things. The west has consistently propped up some of the most heinous regimes known to man.

The basic facts are entirely contrary to the statements you make.

yogthos , to worldnews in 90% of Ukrainians support joining EU, 73% support joining NATO
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Not much of a counterpoint is it?

yogthos , to worldnews in 90% of Ukrainians support joining EU, 73% support joining NATO
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You don’t know anything about Ukraine. Full stop.

yogthos , to worldnews in 90% of Ukrainians support joining EU, 73% support joining NATO
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Ah yeah, 90% support for the government policy in a county where all the opposition is banned and the secret service disappears people who have wrong opinions.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Pope Francis Says NATO Started War in Ukraine by ‘Barking at Putin’s Door’
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lack of self awareness is one of the symptoms of acute reddititus

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Pope Francis Says NATO Started War in Ukraine by ‘Barking at Putin’s Door’
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oh look, reddit is leaking again

yogthos , to asklemmy in Is anyone childfree?
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Never had any interest in having children, and the more I’ve learned about the state of the world the happier I am with my choices.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Why non-Western countries tend to see Russia's war very differently
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I love how you just homogenized Ukrainians here. The Ukrainian regime that insists on continuing the fighting certainly does not represent the totality of people of Ukraine. It’s a large country with diverse demographics and right wing extremists that the west backs do not speak for all of Ukraine. Either you’re a troll or utterly ignorant on the subject you’re bloviating on.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Why non-Western countries tend to see Russia's war very differently
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Please explain to me your galaxy brain logic of why killing more Ukrainians to achieve the same result is desirable. You’re not personally affected by any of this, so it’s easy for you to advocate ruining lives of countless other people to spite Putin.

If you feel so strongly about this then why don’t you pick up a gun and go to Ukraine yourself, if you’re not willing to do that then kindly shut the fuck up.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Why non-Western countries tend to see Russia's war very differently
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There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this conflict does is prolong the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons. The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.

yogthos , to worldnews in Russia Demands Wikipedia Take Down Information About Ukraine War
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I bet that if it was the US asking Wikipedia to edit articles the media wouldn’t use the word “demand” or attribute it to the whole US. A likely headline would be: “email shows US official asked Wikipedia to censor ‘misinformation’”.

yogthos OP , to memes in When propaganda permeates the fabric of the culture people stop seeing it
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That’s fascinating given that communism has worked literally every time it’s been tried. The quality of life, food security, education, employment in communist countries all improved drastically after revolutions. Let’s take a look at USSR as an example.

Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 period while having better nutrition:

USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:

USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:

In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:

GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:

  • https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_Union_GDP_per_capita.gif

The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possilbe:

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

Finally, let’s take a look at how people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.

yogthos OP , to memes in When propaganda permeates the fabric of the culture people stop seeing it
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entire books have been written on the subject, but ok

yogthos OP , to worldnews in During today’s Regular Press Conference, Chinese MFA spokesman Zhao Lijian released more information about US biological labs in Ukraine.
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Skepticism doesn’t require evidence. The only party that needs to provide evidence is the US who operate these labs. All the following questions need clear answers:

  • If the international community’s concerns are “disinformation”, why doesn’t the US release detailed materials to prove its innocence?
  • What did they spend the $200 million on?
  • What kind of research was conducted on which pathogens?
  • What kind of sensitive information about public health cannot be shared?
  • Does the Ukrainian side know what the US has been working on in Ukraine?
  • What is it trying to hide when the US Embassy in Ukraine deleted all relevant documents on its website?
  • Why does the US insist on being the only country in the world to oppose the establishment of a multilateral verification mechanism though it claims to abide by the BWC?
  • If the US wants to prove its innocence, why doesn’t it open up these bio-labs for independent investigations by international experts?
yogthos OP , to worldnews in During today’s Regular Press Conference, Chinese MFA spokesman Zhao Lijian released more information about US biological labs in Ukraine.
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No, we do not agree at all. We don’t know what’s in those labs, and US won’t let independent investigators into these labs. If you don’t understand why that’s a problem what else is there to tell you really.

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