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Do we need to create increasingly more children for a stable economy?

So in the whole anti-natalism/pro-natalism conversation (which I’m mostly agnostic/undecided on, currently), my friend who is a pro-natalist, argued that the success/stability of our world economy is dependent on procreating more children each year than the previous year, so that we not only replace the numbers of the people...

shadowfly ,
  1. So in the beginning there were people. And those people had problems (need for food, shelter,…).
  2. So to fix these problems more efficiently (but far from completely), people invented economies.
  3. But now these economies require infinite population growth (i doubt that’s actually true).
  4. Therefore people make more people to sustain the economy. These new people themselves have needs, which did not exist before.
  5. So these new people now also need to make even more people to sustain the economy.
  6. Repeat.

So the economy actually amplifies suffering (exponentially), not reduce it.

Also, like others have pointed out: Many economies before industrial agriculture had basically 0 growth, and sustained themselves for centuries.

What do you think of Just Stop Oil?

My Views: I would love it if Solar, Hydro and Wind and other renewable sources of energy + Non Renewable Nuclear were to provide enough energy reliably to completely replace fossil fuels, but I know it’s not a feasible solution at least at this point. And maybe it will never be. Renewable sources of energy are highly dependent...

shadowfly , (edited )

Idk about Just Stop Oil, but as a someone from Germany, a country that has done what you seek to do, namely moving from 3rd world conditions to 1st world conditions by the use of the cheapest energy source: fossil fuels, there is a sad secret i can tell you:
As per my quick and unscientific calcualtions, Germany used fossil fuels over a period of roughly 120 years to bring ~80M people from 3rd world conditions to the current level, emitting roughly 80bn tonnes of co2 and heating the planet by 0.145C.

If we apply this very rough calculation to 1bn Indians (blissfuilly ignoring the rising population of India), Indians will have to work tirelessly for the next 50 years at 2x our speed to do this. So most indians living today will likely never see that dream fully come true.
As a result earth will be heated to 2.95°C (current temp + heating by Indians), a temperature incompatible with boring 3rd world stuff like farming. If we add the african continent (>1.2bn) to the mix (they also want to achieve this, i asked them), it’s more like 5°C.

In the end, Indians will have to decide: Do you guys want to want to have your grand-children drive cars, or do you want that your children have stuff to eat.

Here in Germany the people have already decided: We want to achieve a ratio of peope-to-cars of 1:1 (as God planned for us) (We are at 0.583:1), and for that we are sacrificing our grandchildren’s cravings for food (and your grandchildren’s too). But that is ok, because they are not born yet, so we can not hurt them. And also: Food is so boring.
If we fail, and someone forces us to abandon our ways and do koombayah without cars and with renewables (idk that’s Indian i think), we will just say we did not know that co2 was harmful and that we just did what our boss ordered. Worked for our grandparents, will work for us.

I already know what Indians will decide, for they are just like us: You will choose the cars.

Peace to India, and remember: We are the good guys, we knew nothing, we just wanted to be happy (life is not worth living without a car).

May contain large amounts of sarcasm, sry for bad english, i’m in a hurry.

shadowfly ,

This is where they get their ideas from.

shadowfly ,

The game looks promising, from what i have seen.

Few questions remain: Will it dethrone Jedi Survivor as worst performing game? Will it surpass Redfall in it’s emptyness? Does it have a chance fighting LOTR Gollum in “Most 2023ish game of the year”? Or will it truly be a Masterpiece? (Hint: Masterpieces don’t get released in 2023).

We will find out at release. Together with those that preorderd.

shadowfly ,

I have combined OpenRGB with openrgb-python and a Python script like here to make my PC cycle from blue to red according to the maximum temperature between CPU and GPU. Now i can see even a light load on my CPU (< 2°C) by simply looking at the pc. OpenRGB can even control the RGB on my DualShock 4.

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