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TCB13 OP , (edited ) to technology in Linus Torvalds Comments on ARM: Did he lose touch with reality?
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The luxuries you have to not know a thing about enterprise grade servers because your world is JavaScript was made possible, (…) by people working on layers that do require familiarity with the underlying hardware.

That’s kind my point… Since everyone is or will be coding on Javascript (or other languages that run on virtual machines / “layers”) general developers won’t have a problem running on ARM datacenters anymore. Big cloud providers will take the opportunity to move to ARM as it is cheaper for them.

And btw, the people making JS fast and stable on ARM are, most likely, not that familiar with server grade hardware. They’re optimizing for phones and whatever where ARM was born.

TCB13 OP , to technology in Linus Torvalds Comments on ARM: Did he lose touch with reality?
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No, Pinebooks as well as Raspberry Pi laptops and cyberdecks are not feasible for industry.

You know that’s all just a software thing. If Microsoft decided to open Windows for ARM then it would no longer apply.

are fine running x86 for production servers. It got everything we’d need, including upgradable RAM and decades worth of collective experience, which I cannot say ARM has.

Yes but people nowadays go mostly for the cloud. Cloud providers will make scale ARM and sell it cheaper and you won’t be replacing RAM on those for sure… at some point your management will simply crush your budget you’ll be forced on ARM.

TCB13 OP , to technology in Linus Torvalds Comments on ARM: Did he lose touch with reality?
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That’s why we DO see it available on ARM for certain stuff like Lambda functions, but you probably won’t be running full VM environments on it.

We do see Amazon, Oracle and other providers offering full ARM based VMs, they work fine for the price… Even Facebook have been investing in ARM for their datacenters.

, but there are efficiencies of scale to consider

Yes there are, ARM will always be cheaper than Intel and is reaching competitive / comparable levels of performance.

TCB13 OP , (edited ) to technology in Linus Torvalds Comments on ARM: Did he lose touch with reality?
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Have you used ARM servers? They’re a massive pain to work with because they just need that one little extra step every time.

Yes I’ve had that experience and a similar one once the first ARM SBCs came to the market circa 2009 with the SheevaPlug. At that time was trying to get stuff work on those and I know how things go.

when you actually need performance, Javascript needs to go. Java and dotnet have the same cross platform advantages with much higher speeds.

After this point you’re essentially saying the same thing I was BUT replacing the word Javascript with Java/dotnet. Once those virtual machines runs well on ARM (as they mostly do) developers won’t care anymore about the architecture. I only picked Javascript/Typescript as an example because it will most like take over everything in a few years.

That’s part of the reason why companies like Oracle are handing out free ARM VPS products with tons of free RAM, to convince people to try their ARM product for real.

And why are they trying to push developers into ARM? It is medium term strategic investment, they’re just waiting and pushing ARM manufacturers such as Ampere Computing to develop “bigger and better” CPUs that will take on Intel. Once they’re very competitive in performance they’ll simply start replacing Intel with ARM and nobody will complain because at that point the 90% of developers are using Java/dotnet/Javascript (things that run on VMs) will not even notice the difference between running on their amd64 or ARM.

There’s no benefit to running ARM servers. Running slow software like PHP and Javascript becomes especially problematic on slower hardware, so for those cross platform runtimes, you’re still better off running on amd64

It seems that Facebook, the holy grail of running PHP, doesn’t agree with you. They’ve been pushing ARM on their datacenters for years now.

TCB13 , to linux in anyone using a surface tablet?
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Well if they at least made other keyboard I would might “bite the bullet” when it comes to software. But c’mon… a tablet released without working wifi?

TCB13 , (edited ) to linux in anyone using a surface tablet?
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Yes, it looks very close to what I want and I really like the price, but a sub-2Ghz CPU doesn’t seem like a good investment. Maybe a future PineTab3 will be more reasonable for me. I’m not even sure if it runs Debian/Gnome properly with everything working, software support seems shady at best. Oh and I need a Portuguese keyboard and they don’t sell keyboards for languages other than English.

TCB13 , to linux in anyone using a surface tablet?
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The sole reason why I’m thinking about getting a Surface is because it would make the perfect Linux tablet for quick tasks such as browsing the web, writing emails etc. that has a decent design. To be frank I would like to see it become more lightweight and thin like an iPad. Too bad we can’t get Linux to boot and work in iPads, perfect hardware.

TCB13 , to fediverse in Hypothesis: Insufficient moderation tools lead to instance protectionism, which leads to a decline in the overall discussion quality on Lemmy
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No. Moderation tools lead to instance protectionism, which leads to a decline in the overall discussion quality on Lemmy.

TCB13 , to linux in Linux can be used at your workplaces
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AHaha what a fucking lie.

TCB13 , to linux in Linux can be used at your workplaces
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Unlikely. Don’t forget that most software designed for Windows 95 still run on Windows 11 just fine.

TCB13 , to linux in Linux can be used at your workplaces
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Here is the thing, it can, it has been ready for most thing but… business is bussiness.

  • Companies like blame someone when things go wrong, if they chose open-source there’s isn’t someone to sue then;
  • Buying proprietary stuff means you’re outsourcing the risks of such product;
  • Corruption pushes for proprietary: they might be buying software that is made by someone that is close to the CTO, CEO or other decision marker in the company, an old friend, family or straight under the table corruption;
  • Most non-tech companies use services from consulting companies in order to get their software developed / running. Consulting companies often fall under the last point that besides that they have have large incentives from companies like Microsoft to push their proprietary services. For eg. Microsoft will easily provide all of a consulting companies employees with free Azure services, Office and other discounts if they enter in an exclusivity agreement to sell their tech stack. To make things worse consulting companies live of cheap developers (like interns) and Microsoft and their platform makes things easier for anyone to code and deploy;
  • Microsoft provider a cohesive ecosystem of products that integrate really well with each other and usually don’t require much effort to get things going - open-source however, usually requires custom development and a ton of work to work out the “sharp angles” between multiple solutions that aren’t related and might not be easily compatible with each other;
  • Open-source requires a level of expertise that more than half of the developers and IT professionals simply don’t have. This aspect reinforces the last point even more. Senior open-source experts are more expensive than simply buying proprietary solutions;
  • If we consider the price of a senior open-source expert + software costs (usually free) the cost of open-source is considerable lower than the cost of cheap developers + proprietary solutions, however consider we are talking about companies. Companies will always prefer to hire more less expensive and less proficient people because that means they’re easier to replace and you’ll pay less taxes;
  • Companies will prefer to hire services from other companies instead of employees thus making proprietary vendors more compelling. This happens because from an accounting / investors perspective employees are bad and subscriptions are cool (less taxes, no responsibilities etc);
  • The companies who build proprietary solutions work really hard to get vendors to sell their software, they provide commissions, support and the promises that if anything goes wrong they’ll be there. This increases the number of proprietary-only vendors which reinforces everything above. If you’re starting to sell software or networking services there’s little incentive for you to go pure “open-source”. With less companies, less visibility, less professionals (and more expensive), less margins and less positive market image, less customers and lesser profits.

Unfortunately things are really poised and rigged against open-source solutions and anyone who tries to push for them. The “experts” who work in consulting companies are part of this as they usually don’t even know how to do things without the property solutions. Let me give you an example, once I had to work with E&Y, one of those big consulting companies, and I realized some awkward things while having conversations with both low level employees and partners / middle management, they weren’t aware that there are alternatives most of the time. A manager of a digital transformation and cloud solutions team that started his career E&Y, wasn’t aware that there was open-source alternatives to Google Workplace and Microsoft 365 for e-mail. I probed a TON around that and the guy, a software engineer with an university degree, didn’t even know that was Postfix was and the history of email.

TCB13 , to selfhosted in Does anyone know a good Linux live image for diagnosing systems?
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Me too but I might replace with www.system-rescue.org/System-tools/. Gparted live is really hard to customize and doesn’t run as root, makes no sense for a rescue tool. SystemRescue also seems to come with something similar to rEFInd to boot broken systems…

TCB13 , to programmerhumor in jQuery Reigns in 2033
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TCB13 , to programmerhumor in jQuery Reigns in 2033
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Perfection 👌

TCB13 , to selfhosted in Which domain name registrar should I use?
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n DreamHist.com.

Dead link. lol

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