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Growing protests call on Netanyahu to bring Hamas hostages home (www.washingtonpost.com)

On Friday, protesters fired flares in the air and demanded Netanyahu step down. Mounted police and trucks blocked their way. Demonstrators blame the prime minister for the security failures leading to the Hamas attack on Israeli communities on Oct. 7 — when authorities here say militants killed 1,200 people — as well his...

Fimbulwinter ,

People worldwide don’t give a shit about Palestine, they just love to be able to blast Israel in random comments, yelling hate into the void from the comfort of their homes.

Fimbulwinter ,

Alright. What do you like about Palestine? Any part of their culture? Anything specific about their contributions to the world? I’m just curious why they get so much more media compared to all other forms of human suffering on the planet. Don’t misunderstand, I am not saying anybody deserves any suffering, war is hell for both sides. But what is it about them that mobilized the entire world to be against Israel and march every day everywhere screaming free Palestine? Other Muslims are dying in many countries, being ruthlessly murdered by… mostly other Muslims or the US or Russia or hey if you wanna believe it, maybe even by Israel. What’s with this tiny group of Muslims in the tiniest of countries called Israel that makes them so famous and more worthy than others of worldwide support? I’ve yet to find an answer to this that doesn’t somehow relate to some form of antisemitism.

Fimbulwinter ,

That’s not what I said. No need to put words in my mouth. Just wondering where all the catchy slogans for Armenians, Rohingya, Uighurs etc. are. There’s more of them than Palestinians.

Fimbulwinter ,

I know. I oppose all genocide. I believe it should be the default setting for all humans. Just pointing out the thing about how much more proportional attention we give to one issue vs. another.

Fimbulwinter ,

What? Hamas and Hezbollah are both attacking Israel what is your point?

Fimbulwinter ,

Do you think they bombed Lebanon out of nowhere? Or was it a response to a certain wave of attacks which displaced the entire northern Israeli population?

Fimbulwinter ,

It was not unprovoked. Hezbollah joined Hamas’s attack from Oct 7

Fimbulwinter ,

How is it a distraction? Everyone is still talking about both things and giving their random uninformed opinions.

Fimbulwinter ,

They thought they were Hamas terrorists, not Palestinian civilians. Because Hamas often times disguise themselves as civilians in order to attack. Including when conducting stabbing or car ramming attacks within Israel against Israeli civilians.

Fimbulwinter ,

South Lebanon is occupied by Israel??

Fimbulwinter ,

Really, you’d rather support Iran, a nation where women are beaten and killed for not covering themselves completely? How is Israel the blight in the region, besides being the easy target completely surrounded by countries that hate it for being different aka not Muslim and being a democracy that supports LGBTQ?

Fimbulwinter ,

That’s not what I was talking about and I do not easily dismiss the civilian casualties on either side. I would advise not taking the statistics that Hamas puts out at face value. We can talk about the number of casualties on both sides once the war is over, the dust settles and an accurate count can be made, preferably by an independent reliable source, not Hamas and probably not the IDF. It took Israel months to identify all the victims of October 7 and revised their total death count from about 1400 to 1200. In addition, it is an extremely densely populated region engaged in urban warfare against a terrorist military group (Hamas) that follows no rules whatsoever.

Fimbulwinter ,

Their attacks also killed and injured several Israeli civilians, Hezbollah is not a lovely freedom fighting group that is careful to only target military bases.

Fimbulwinter ,

Your words not mine.

Fimbulwinter ,

This article yes, but I live here and can tell you that the drone infiltrations and anti-tank missile launches by Hezbollah are happening throughout the day, every single day in the north of Israel. That’s why almost all civilians in the north have relocated to the center, driving up rent prices to unbearable levels for everybody. There are though, thankfully, thousands of households that opened up their homes to shelter and support their fellow citizens from the north and around the Gaza border.

Rocket sirens have calmed down a lot near the Gaza border (probably thanks to the IDF neutralizing more than half of Hamas forces by now), they happen only once every few days and they no longer reach the center of Israel these days. At least for now.

Fimbulwinter ,

You do get some jail time if you simply refuse to serve though. Unless you have strong psychological or physical reasons that prevent you from serving. Men and women both need to serve, the Israeli (and worldwide Jewish) population is very small relatively.

Fimbulwinter ,

No. And look, to be honest I never understood why some people claim that Israel is purposefully targeting civilians. They are not, and the mortality rate of terrorist/civilians is some of the best if not the best in any modern urban war anywhere. Hamas just reports every death as civilian, and men of ages up to 21 as children. Not saying there have been no actual civilians, children and women killed in Gaza, but there is a clear intent to minimize innocent casualties, at least where I’m observing things from.

Also, a few days ago the IDF rescued 2 hostages for the first time, I hope that made international news.

Fimbulwinter ,

You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.

Fimbulwinter ,

Apartheid? How? There are no laws prohibiting any race to do… anything in Israel.

Fimbulwinter ,

I’ll be cheeky and change the meaning of your comment: Yeah, those Hamas Nazis should fuck off of Israel and the world should stop helping them.

Fimbulwinter ,

Oh dear

Fimbulwinter ,

Wow. I’m out

Fimbulwinter ,

Yep. Ok. America is the best at war. Good luck to you.

Fimbulwinter ,
  1. Yes. 2. Some yes.
Fimbulwinter ,

Genocide looks like a rapidly decreasing population, not a growing one. Supplies are still going into Gaza, yes fewer because Hamas is hoarding all of it and withholding it from its civilians. There are even videos of them opening fire on Palestinians that try to get to any of the supply trucks. There are also videos of Palestinians openly accusing Hamas of withholding all aid. I just wish Egypt would open up its border with Gaza to allow Palestinians refuge there but they never will again because of the Islam extremism they had to deal with when they did that. I haven’t heard that one yet - Israeli developers planning beach front property on Gaza. Nationalism? Israel is comprised of foreigners from all over the world, it’s like a mini US. Not all Israelis are white, not all Israelis are Jews, not all civilians are Israeli. We even took in 15,000 Ukrainian refugees. The “oh dear” was for attacking me directly with the “fuck off” and “genocide apologist”.

Fimbulwinter ,

There’s no blockade, any Gazan can leave whenever. Most of them come in to Israel for work. Or at least used to. Not sure how things will be after this shit show. The intent to destroy a nation and steal a land is Hamas’s goal, readily visible even on Wikipedia.

Fimbulwinter ,

Every time I have a conversation with a pro-Palestinian or especially pro-Hamas person, they always end up losing their cool and attacking me. Just like in most pro-Palestine protests, people get violent and attack random Jews on the street or a Starbucks for some reason (there isn’t even Starbucks in Israel). The pro-Israel marches I’ve seen are just people singing the anthem or something. It’s pretty reflective of the entire situation, Israelis aren’t very interested in war, there’s nothing in the Gaza Strip that we need, no resources, no landmarks of interest, just more desert like the rest of our country. But Arabs and Muslims from all around our tiny strip of land simply hate us on a religious basis and want to see us gone. And we’ve no place to go. We won’t just lie down and die. Sorry.

Fimbulwinter ,

Well, as long as you are 100% certain you are on the right side of history, you do you man. Just try not to hurt anybody.

Fimbulwinter ,

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