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Aesthesiaphilia ,

Hello, I'm here from all, could someone please explain the joke to me?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Oh. Part of my job is making complicated procedures and sometimes it helps to print them out and go over with a pen. Didn't realize that doesn't work for code. Now I know!

Aesthesiaphilia ,
  • stop trying to fix the climate
  • war with Ruzzia is bad

Shill probability: 86%

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Seems odd to say

And don't @ me about "100 corporations are responsible for like 90% of emissions". Who's buying those corporations' goods?

People bringing up the 100 corporations are usually calling for regulations on them, and the "you're the ones buying the goods" people are usually calling for Personal Responsibility and Voting With Your Wallet.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

This crisis will not be solved without a good heaping helping of both personal responsibility and aggressive government regulation.

100%. People usually argue for one to the exclusion of the other but we need both.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

In the US, 3rd parties effectively don't exist and you're throwing away your vote.

Vote blue. Remember that Joe Manchin of all people epically played the GOP to get us the IRA. Even corpo shills can advance our cause. Throwaway votes cannot.

Aesthesiaphilia , (edited )

Did you just completely not read the context of the conversation that prompted my comment? At all? You seriously just pulled my comment out of context, made a straw man out of it, and started arguing. What the actual tittyfucking Christ.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Holy privilege Batman

"Just don't live in a place like that" rofl

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Just as there are hordes of idiots on the right who call anything they don't like "socialism", there are a few idiots - primarily teenagers - on the left who call anything they don't like "capitalism".

After the supreme court invalidated Roe v Wade, I attended a rally. I walked away when one of the speakers started shouting "We know what the real problem is...capitalism!" and all the university kids started cheering.

I love the enthusiasm and your heart's in the right place but y'all are dumber than a bag of bowling balls.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

The US military is the world's largest socialist organization. Universal health care, pensions, free college and job training, free housing...

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Also, non-capitalist countries tend to be low emitters because they are failed countries whose people live in miserable poverty.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Kbin needs a way to collapse comment chains bc I'm trying to get past this bullshit and back to where the adults are talking

Aesthesiaphilia ,

At this point, there is one, single option: revolution

You're the world's biggest sucker if you think that's even a possibility.

Or more likely, a russian/right wing shill

"Voting is useless" is right wing propaganda.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

The Democrats hand power back to Republicans

Only because idiots like you don't vote.

Democratic strongholds are making massive gains on climate change. Look at California. That's what happens when we get a democratic supermajority.

The federal government has had a Democratic supermajority exactly once in the past few decades. For a few months. And they used it to get us the Affordable Care Act.

Biden got the IRA done without a supermajority, but he's a brilliant politician.

You fuckers keep claiming democrats are ineffective or colluding or something but you haven't actually given dems a chance to fix anything yet.

Give us a democratic supermajority for 8 years and you'll be amazed at what gets accomplished.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

We don't have time for that. Just vote Democrat, and vote in the primary.

Undoing FPTP will take a generation. I agree it should be done, but it's not the priority.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

"Yeah, throw your vote away! That will help fix things!"

  • Totally Not Rightwing Propaganda
Aesthesiaphilia ,

Well that's the world's sketchiest link

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I don’t think this will happen, as I would hate myself to burn fuel for pleasure.

Modify one to run off biofuel? You can even make the fuel yourself

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Implement antitrust laws?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Ooooh the bullshit companies did "because covid" drives me up the wall. Closing early, because covid is scared of the dark. Longer hold times because covid? Bullshit. Forcing everyone to enter and exit through the same door, because that's safer for some reason? Jesus

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Maybe because they are neither adult not successful nor hundreds of millions rofl

Aesthesiaphilia ,

"bOtH sIdEs"

Fuck off

Aesthesiaphilia ,

It’s pretty much been the bedrock of anarchist thought for more than a hundred years now.

And anarchists are a rounding error, numerically. You're in a bubble.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Wow

And you're still refusing to read the context. Impressive pigheadedness

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I need to read up more on dois, since I don't understand why not just use a url, they're already unique.

The sketchiness actually came from that as well as the "you're not allowed to talk about it" comment which to me screams crypto scam or cult or both.

Here's my issue with your general argument

As if China, with one of the most advanced technologically advanced infrastructures in the world,

You seem to be taking it a given that what China is doing is more or less correct, and then deducing how you should interpret the world from that. Of course China wouldn't do anything stupid, at best they might just need minor improvements to the process.

This book criticizing China isn't right, it's just Western indoctrination.

To me that makes it likely that you're someone who's drank the kool aid, and you're emotionally invested in defending China, which makes a fruitful conversation with you unlikely.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

It's a spoiler, a red herring. "Don't bother doing the thing that could actually threaten our power. Instead, focus on this other thing that has no shot of happening."

Aesthesiaphilia ,

No, I'm saying we can get climate change fixed without undoing fptp. Just give democrats a permanent supermajority. Much like in California.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

...whatever drugs you're on, I want some

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Taxes

Is there any other way?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

And now you're LYING about it, that's hilarious!

I'll let you off the hook.

DreamerOfImprobableDreams started it with the "don't @ me about 100 corporations". At which point I called him out by saying the exact same shit you're saying to me now. That's how I know you didn't read the context.

Embarrassed yet?

When I brought up that "personal responsibility" is a propaganda point from corpos, he clarified that he was talking in the context of "policy driven changes that force companies to decarbonize will have a negative effect on people's lives", ie gas prices will go up, oil riggers will lose their jobs, etc. Market friction. It will suck a little bit.

As hh93 said, and I agreed to,

No - the ones calling them out are just telling them to be prepared to change their lifestyle after those measurements are taken because it sure as hell won’t go on how it has all the time if those companies just stop.

That's "personal responsibility" in the context we were all talking about.

So clearly you didn't read a damn thing from the comment thread prior to my comment, and then you DOUBLED DOWN on refusing to read and lied about reading.

That was bad, and you should feel foolish.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

The fediverse is an interesting place with both right wing and tankie shills as well as "enlightened centrists" (which in the US is mostly right wing apologists with window dressing). All are idiots, or propagandists. I like calling them all out.

I believe in left of center regulated capitalism with a strong social security net, personally. I'm a fan of Clinton, Biden, Gavin Newsom, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, though I have major disagreements with all of them on some issues. I believe authoritarianism is morally wrong and I believe anarchism is a foolish idea. I'm not as familiar with the specific policy positions of non US politicians but I generally agree with the western European and Scandinavian approaches to government, with the exception of the surveillance state. In a very broad sense my ideal state would take that model, make having an educated population the #1 priority, and inject a healthy level of American "the ultimate power resides with the people, who should have the means to overthrow a corrupt government if necessary".

I think with a hefty dose of appropriate regulation, capitalism can solve the great majority of societal ills in the world.

I think a strong Western military is a necessity and I think the Pax Americana is an excellent thing for the world.

I think taking action within the current democratic system is far more effective than dreaming about some revolution.

I think the way out of our current mess is to VOTE and push candidates further left.

For an example of a position I can respect but ultimately disagree with, the idea that we should ban guns to save lives. It's a reasonable position to take. I just think it's not worth it, but I wouldn't call anyone supporting it an idiot.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Nobody here is arguing that they’re as bad as Republicans.

You may not be, but plenty of people do make this argument, at which point I start calling them irredeemably stupid.

But just electing them with no regard to their policy positions

Every Democrat is better than every Republican, period. Given the choice between the two, it's an obvious choice.

The time to care about policy positions is in the primaries, in local elections in safe Democrat districts, and in internal democratic party elections (which you may not even know happen, but I attend all of them and it's an excellent way to meet face to face with the people who in 10 years will be running your state).

And then, yes, when you get a place that's safely Democratic, you have the democrats split into a more left and a more right wing. But the new right wing of the democrats is the old left wing.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

How would you respond to GP’s point that most Democrats are corrupt too?

Sorry, skipped this. I would say a) it's an order of magnitude less than Republicans, and b) democratic voters are more willing to hold their candidates to task.

Still a no brainer.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

You've misunderstood.

the Dems are in power and have been in power recently before this, and recently before that, and they achieved… what?

They're in power by a THREAD now, and they brought us the IRA, which is the best thing we've done for the climate in a long time, probably decades.

And they haven't been in power before this since a few months in 2008 when they brought us the Affordable Care Act.

The example I keep using is California, where Dems have effectively a permanent supermajority. California will be 100% clean energy by 2045: https://www.energy.ca.gov/news/2021-03/california-releases-report-charting-path-100-percent-clean-electricity

They brought as much horror to the world as the GOP.

This is such a ridiculously wrong statement that if I hadn't already been talking with you and could see you're not an idiot, I'd assume you're too stupid to reason with and just start calling you names. How could you possibly come to that conclusion?

how does this ‘solution’ help people who aren’t in the US

Depends on the country, but it's generally applicable to most places. A revolution is not happening. Change within the system. And for some places, having Dems in charge in the US allows the US to pressure those countries to change in better ways.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

If someone has decided voting isn't worth it to the point that they're trying to convince others not to vote, they're generally too stupid and emotionally invested to change their mind. Or they're a shill.

This discussion (and name calling) isn't for you. It's for the audience. People feeling hopeless and powerless who might buy into the "don't vote" bullshit. Voting matters.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I'm saying your proposed solution is not possible.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Yeah, think of it like a corporation. Instead of shares, you have votes and taxes.

Everyone in the military can vote on the actions of that military. Although, so can everyone not in the military. And the number of votes don't correspond to how many shares you can buy, because it's more equal than capitalism.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

It's not a full solution, but I'd love to see more use of compostable single-use plastics coupled with municipal biochar facilities.

It's an excellent cycle that harnesses capitalism and materialism. People buy single use plastics, then throw them away. Municipal garbage (a utility company paid for by ratepayers), picks it up, and brings it to a biochar facility. The facility pyrolizes it, making syngas (which they burn for energy which is then purchased by consumers) and biochar, which is sold as a soil amendment and happens to be carbon-negative. Excess biochar can be buried.

It's a typical capitalist create-consume economy except it's carbon-negative (when paired with decarbonized transportation like electric trains and delivery vans, and hydrogen powered garbage trucks). The more you consume, the more carbon you actually suck out of the air.

There's a few proposed loops like this which instead of fighting consumerism actually harness it to make carbon negative actions. Another one that I'm very interested in is making HVAC filters that also passively absorb carbon from the atmosphere. With electric heat pumps we already have an HVAC technology that is minimally emitting. Pair that with carbon negative filters and you're golden.

Or concrete using injected co2. It's a real thing that exists, it just doesn't have price parity with traditional carbon-intensive concrete. Imagine if just by building a building you could be carbon negative.

Again, it's not a total solution but I wish I could see more use cases like this instead of the "consume less" narrative. People are not going to consume less, that's not how people work. The only way to get people to consume less is by raising prices (which is a necessary part of the solution of course).

Aesthesiaphilia ,

...no NSFW content?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Ah. I'm from kbin, so I can't view the lemmy.ml homepage (to my knowledge) unless I navigate outside my fediverse account. The linked post seems to be down right now, but I'll view it when I get a chance.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

I read the page that 133arc585 linked. I can't actually see the lemmy.ml homepage unless I log out of my fediverse account, I believe.

I understand the intent of the rule, but I've seen communities who require "only respectful discourse" get swamped by sealions and bad-faith "just asking questions" types with dogwhistles and veiled references. In my opinion, sometimes namecalling and insulting is a necessary counter to someone spreading a poisonous bad-faith idea, especially when it's outright propaganda. But, I'm not a server admin, so I'll try to be more respectful of that rule in the future.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

You can view it, by pointing your browser to lemmy.ml.

Yeah, that's outside of my federation account. For example, right now I'm viewing this post with the url kbin.social/m/[email protected]. But I don't think there's any mechanism to look at the page kbin.social/lemmy.ml or something. Or at least I'm not aware of it.

Anyway, the page is back up, and I read it.

I understand the intent of the rule, but I've seen communities who require "only respectful discourse" get swamped by sealions and bad-faith "just asking questions" types with dogwhistles and veiled references. In my opinion, sometimes namecalling and insulting is a necessary counter to someone spreading a poisonous bad-faith idea, especially when it's outright propaganda. But, I'm not a server admin, so I'll try to be more respectful of that rule in the future.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

https://news.gallup.com/poll/5029/eight-americans-support-ground-war-afghanistan.aspx

Americans vote for representatives who determine when and where the military gets involved. But even if it had been subject to a direct vote, the outcome would be the same.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Primary them. Oust them from the party.

See: Andrew Cuomo, Katie Hill, Al Franken...

That never happens on the Republican side.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Voting 3rd party is the same as not voting.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Any presentation of a counter argument is treated with derision

It would be helpful if the vast majority of the "good faith" arguments in favor of Chinese policies didn't so frequently turn out to be from state-funded actors pushing propaganda. After having a few conversations with these types, you learn to spot red flags (no pun intended)

And as it has one of the most technologically advanced infrastructures in the world

Praise for China interjected seemingly at random, in a superlative nature is a common one. And very suspicious. Chinese shills are not as advanced as their Russian counterparts, in that they're not allowed to criticize their masters and in fact gain points for effusively praising their masters. Makes em easier to spot. The goal of a China shill is to say that China is superior. The goal of a Russia shill is to say that everyone is equally shit.

My concern with you is that you're not trying to take an idea that happens to be Chinese and promote it towards the rest of the world. We could talk about the merits of that. It's that you're taking a Chinese system and trying to promote it towards the rest of the world. With all the baggage that comes with it.

You understand the difference? My worry is that your primary concern is not the idea, but rather the fact that it came from China.

But let's discuss the idea itself. You're basically saying that unilaterally shutting down processes is a good approach to fix the climate. How would you port that concept to countries which are not primarily manufacturing-based, like the US and Western Europe?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

So like, I prove you wrong, and you just go, "no"

Cool talk, bro

Aesthesiaphilia ,

How. Explain.

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