To piggyback on this - this reply itself did not make it to my instance. I needed to search for it specifically using the "copy link to fediverse" and paste it in to my search box to consume this top-level reply. Here is a great example of how replies can be missed across instances.
I do see that from feddit.online this magazine is not being found. I am unsure why. I know that, at some point, some changes were made to lemmy to block incoming federation from kbin instances unless that is specifically removed by lemmy instance admins (e.g. you might reply or post and it never makes it to the actual lemmy instance), but that should not affect federating out to my understanding.
I’m fairly new and don’t 100% understand it yet, but instances are run on servers that require money. Are we heading towards seeing ads or subscriptions to raise funds instead of relying on donations to cover overhead?...
I’ve tried to explain this to people before, without success. I’m starting to think that most people have no concept of what it means to be passionate about something, so they go through life with nothing more than pastimes to keep their minds off reality.
For me it’s building boats. I’ve only ever built 2, the last one 20 years ago. But the amount of time and money I spent on magazines and plans both before and after those actual builds dwarfs the time and money it would take to run a lemmy instance. And now I’ve got 3 years and several thousand dollars into building and equipping a shop so I can build another one.
I’ll throw out a few bucks here and there because it feels like the right thing to do, but I actually want hobbyists, people with a passion for it, running the show. After all, that is what made reddit work. All the passionate mods doing their thing as a hobby.
Think about things from the point of view of someone who has never used Reddit or the fediverse, but you've heard about them both from recent news articles and want to see what they are about....
I do like a lot of things about Kbin, and visually it's much better than unmodified Lemmy in a browser, but it also has its own share of problems, not least with intuitiveness. I don't understand why communities are called Magazines, and the terminology of "Favorite", "Reduce" and "Boost" are very confusing to me. Trying to make a new thread might lead you down a microblogging path instead since "Post" sounds more like a new thread than "Article" to a newcomer.
There also seems to be much slower sync between Kbin and various Lemmy instances compared to intra-sync between lemmy instances themselves. Kbin also doesn't have an API (yet?), but a more tech savvy individual than me will have to say how big of a deal that is.
Both Sync and Boost have large and loyal userbases and will probably attract plenty of users to Lemmy, and good Third Party Apps might help with first impressions and onboarding for new users.
Ultimately though, content is king. I liked Kbin better when I first made my accounts, but then we had a Race Week in Formula 1 and the community here was dead while discussions were happening on Lemmy, and since the sync was slow so I ended up over there.
Do posts from one website only appear on the other if the community already has subscribers?
Yes.
When instances federate, they don't just automatically share content. They only share the content from a specific community/magazine if somebody from the federated instance subscribes through that instance to the community/magazine on the host instance.
If I'm following it all correctly, what actually happens under the hood is that subscribing to a community/magazine on another instance triggers the creation of a new community/magazine on your home instance, which from then on will mirror the content on the original.
So in your example, the original is [email protected]. Initially, it's not going to appear on kbin.social - there has to be interest in it first, as demonstrated by the fact that somebody from kbin.social subscribes to it.
At that point, for all intents and purposes a new magazine is actually created on kbin.social - [email protected]@kbin.social. So you're not actually accessing [email protected] through kbin.social - you're accessing a mirror that's hosted on kbin.social. And the trigger for creating that is someone on kbin.social subscribing to [email protected].
At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works - note that I'm just some guy who likes to figure out how things work and not a dev.
"The magazine from the federated server may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance." - why does this appear and how can I turn it off? I cannot log in to other servers to post
-I feel like even this short guide is overcomplicating it for 90% of potential users. Just add a tl;dr at the start about checking out the relevant settings (top bar, notifications), subscribing to magazines, and navigating to the "subscribed" feed. Like, if I want a hot shower I don't need to know where the water comes from or how pressure is determined by the bermoulli formula, just say what do I press to get the water to come out hot.
-Explain that collapsible comments are coming and there's a userscript for people who are into that.
-I don't think that this separation of tiers is efficient for anyone. Like, if I want to know how to see the local feed is that lurker or addict.
-I think it's overcomplicating threads and microblogs. Yeah, I didn't know there was a difference between replies and comments but it's never been relevant for me this past month. One is like reddit and is compatible with lemmy, the other is like twitter and lets you talk to mastodon users (and misskey, and calckey,...).
-On that note, some people get overly confused with the concept of federation (in part because people usually overcomplicate it when explaining), and this problem is compounded on a platform that also interacts with instances from other platforms. You can just keep it simple and say "you have an account on a website which has its own content. There are others that look exactly the same with different users and content, but you have access* to all of that too".
*unless admins decide to defederate specifically from your website, like what beehaw did.
Ironic that I said to keep things short and then wrote a huge comment.
Unfortunately, these are problematic when dealing with instances that are not your home instance. Any links to the post page will be absolute remote instance URLs, which means you cannot interact with the post (e.g. leave a comment). The URL really needs to be made relative to your home instance for that to work, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to fix that for a specific post. I can only fix the URL to the magazine/community itself and then hope to locate the post within it again.
If there is a way to get home instance-relative RSS feeds, I'm all ears! Failing that, I might work on a scraper that can take URLs of the form:
and generate RSS feeds out of them? But I don't want to reinvent the wheel if something like this is already possible?
It might also be useful to someone trying to write an app with a multireddit-type feature? I will definitely release source if I come up with anything.
Most people aren’t even thinking of moving to reddit alternatives. Users have a lot of power in this situation. Just move your community to Lemmy or Kbin. It’s not that hard.
It's genuinely hard and needs to be improved. Subscribing to a magazine that someone else on kbin has subscribed to already isn't too bad. Go to the magazine (eg, click what looks like the subreddit name in the post) and scroll alllll the way down and there'll be a subscribe button.
But if nobody has subscribed yet in the instance, it's hilariously hard. You have to search in the general search (not the magazine search) for specifically "[email protected]" and you should see a subscribe button then. You will not content in that magazine that existed before you subscribed. If that sounds terrible, it's because it is. Thankfully, most of the time, you won't be the first to subscribe to a magazine and thus can just use the magazine search or browse the front page to see posts.
PS: the subscribe option is also as the bottom of each thread. So you can alternatively just open a thread in the magazine instead of the magazine itself.
PPS: I've mentioned the subscribe button being at the bottom because that's the placement on mobile and I think many of us are on mobile. On desktop, it's in the sidebar.
Why YSK: making the most of the fediverse means aggregating content from as many places as possible, but it’s not an intuitive process right now, especially for those using apps like Jerboa or Mlem....
Kbin is the first Reddit alternative I looked at and i liked the UI so I stuck with it. I kind of assumed everything would be kbin. I thought I understood things. I thought it was kbin and lemmy separate but they federated and so I’d be able to access lemmy stuff from kbin. Which I guess is true. But now I’m confused. I look...
kbin and lemmy are different softwares, but they are both used for link aggregation and the 2 softwares use a common protocol, so they can talk to each other. So there are kbin servers and lemmy servers, and they are all interconnected.
So now we can take this post as an example:
You are a user on kbin.social
You posted this question on /m/[email protected] - this means the community you posted on is actually hosted on lemmy.world
lemmy.world then tells other instances that its federated with that someone just made a post on /c/nostupidquestions on its instance. what kbin calls magazines are called communities on lemmy, hence the /c/ instead of the /m/.
kbin.social and all the other instances will then also show this post, even though it originally was created on a different instance
Because they don’t get listed by browse.feddit.de you’ll want to browse kbin.social/magazines to browse “magazines”, which is what they call communities...
I haven’t been able to join Kbin magazines by searching in the !magazine format, but when I just paste the URL from Kbin into the search I’ve been able to add them that way.
The reason it seems like that is because this kbin instance (kbin.social) isn't federated right now because of heavy traffic. So you'll only see magazines that were created here. As soon as the restrictions are relaxed you'll see other instances in the default feed. Or you could sign up for a different kbin instance like fedia.io which are currently still federated.
Even so, the other instances that are working as intended don't quite have that r/all feel yet just because there aren't nearly the same number of users in all of the fediverse as there were on reddit. It'll take time for the content to catch up.
Do you know the URL syntax to do the same from mastodon? Lemmy uses /c/ for community and Kbin /m/ for magazine, but I have no idea how to do similarly from a mastodon instance.
When I began exploring the #fediverse I must have made 5 accounts across various instances, but I really want to keep it all on one account (somehow).
Hello, you might have noticed (or not) that posts from kbin, more specifically kbin.social aren’t showing anywhere, this is due the DDoS protection they currently have on. So even if you are subscribed to kbin.social communities you won’t see any posts from the outside....
Joining is immediate, where some Lemmy instances require manual approval even now.
The main page comes off as more approachable and familiar. They also have a ton of local communities (or “Magazines”) so people can do a lot even without the Federation. I find the Microblog stuff somewhat confusing, I think because it doesn’t have much of a UI built around it so it is less familiar than Mastodon. It is fairly centralized though, in the sense that there aren’t that many kbin instances out there.
What should users understand about finding communities in the fediverse?
I'm missing something....
So how long until the Fediverse is monetized?
I’m fairly new and don’t 100% understand it yet, but instances are run on servers that require money. Are we heading towards seeing ads or subscriptions to raise funds instead of relying on donations to cover overhead?...
Fediverse won't replace Reddit as long as Lemmy is the main platform being promoted (kbin.social)
Think about things from the point of view of someone who has never used Reddit or the fediverse, but you've heard about them both from recent news articles and want to see what they are about....
What communities are or aren't visible across lemmy.world and kbin.social?
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/855849...
I don’t understand people who say they can’t figure out Lemmy or KBin
Does federation have a bit of a learning curve? No doubt....
New kbin user guide (preparation for impending wave of reddit migrants in July) (kbin.social)
This article is an x-post from m/quickstart...
Kbin Cafe, a fun, general-purpose instance, is now open for registrations ☕ (kbin.cafe)
Hi all,...
I don't understand why people still want to use reddit instead of moving to Lemmy or Kbin
Most people aren’t even thinking of moving to reddit alternatives. Users have a lot of power in this situation. Just move your community to Lemmy or Kbin. It’s not that hard.
YSK how to subscribe to kbin magazines from lemmy
Why YSK: making the most of the fediverse means aggregating content from as many places as possible, but it’s not an intuitive process right now, especially for those using apps like Jerboa or Mlem....
How do I subscribe to [email protected]? (kbin.social)
I want to subscribe to this magazine on another instance, but it doesn't seem to let me.
Is Kbin lemmy? I’m so confused! (kbin.social)
Kbin is the first Reddit alternative I looked at and i liked the UI so I stuck with it. I kind of assumed everything would be kbin. I thought I understood things. I thought it was kbin and lemmy separate but they federated and so I’d be able to access lemmy stuff from kbin. Which I guess is true. But now I’m confused. I look...
Lemmy Explorer: Search All Communities and Instances (lemmyverse.net)
cross-posted from: mander.xyz/post/717257...
YSK that kbin.social is now federating, adding hundreds of communities and ~26k more users content
Because they don’t get listed by browse.feddit.de you’ll want to browse kbin.social/magazines to browse “magazines”, which is what they call communities...
I definitely think r/gaming has the biggest banger of a privated notice (media.kbin.social)
I got a lemmy account and a kbin account while deciding what i like best. Since I'm new to this i'm having trouble searching and "subscribing" lemmy communities while on kbin and viceversa. Can someone please help me with this issue? (kbin.social)
Second time doing this because I made a "post" the first time, I feel kinda lost to be honest.
Kbin.social has disabled federation temporarily. (kbin.social)
Hello, you might have noticed (or not) that posts from kbin, more specifically kbin.social aren’t showing anywhere, this is due the DDoS protection they currently have on. So even if you are subscribed to kbin.social communities you won’t see any posts from the outside....