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zerfuffle ,

If a stray Hamas rocket can cause this much damage, you really gotta wonder why Hamas hasn’t won this war already given that they have tens of thousands of them.

Oh wait, what’s that? The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile? x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20

You can compare the audio with other uses of JDAMs? www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uwzugvv-g

Huh. I see.

Apollo ,

Show me the crater left by the jdam then, the blast site looks like a low powered exlosion that cooked off the petrol tanks of the parked cars.

zerfuffle , (edited )

Again, no indication of secondary detonation.

Edit: this is even more FUD considering we have even more knowledge of how cooked off petrol tanks behave. They’re low casualty events.

TWeaK ,

Cooked off petrol tanks =/= petrol tanks hit by a rocket. If you see a plane crash you often get a similar conflagration. The rocket itself may have also contributed fuel to the fire.

TWeaK ,

Hospitals have a lot of flammable material, and Hamas have been storing ammunition at hospitals. OSINT analysis also points to this being a rocket fired from Palestine.

The sounds of rockets varies a lot more than you think.

zerfuffle , (edited )

No indication of secondary detonation in any available video.

Edit: the whole argument of “ammunition stores!” is in bad faith because we’ve literally spent the past two years watching munitions stores cook off in Ukraine. We know what they look like.

Edit 2: based on audio, it’s pretty hard to argue that this is a fragment of a munition falling out of the sky lol

TWeaK ,

They’re not saying it’s a fragment from the iron dome stopping the missile, which happens over the desert, they’re saying it’s most likely a failed rocket launch that went off course.

To argue that the Israelis were able to react so quickly and fire a JDAM at the hospital in response to and while the rockets were firing is itself a stretch.

All of the available information points to it being fired from within Gaza. It’s only the armchair generals who claim to be able to identify a rocket by the sound (despite having never actually witnessed it themselves) who say otherwise.

zerfuffle ,

streamable.com/hchxwx

I’m sure those flares were also from a Gazan rocket… Oh wait.

Who’s the only party operating aircraft in this whole conflict, again? How are JDAMs dropped, again?

TWeaK ,

This almost certainly isn’t a JDAM.

zerfuffle ,

According to… Israel?

Doctors from MSF are claiming 500+ casualties. What exactly do you claim caused 500+ casualties?

TWeaK ,

I don’t believe Israel in any of this. I believe the abundance of evidence online analysed by geeky people who know their shit.

I don’t know who fired it, it could be Israel, but all the evidence available points to it not being a JDAM at it being something fired from within Palestine. If there is evidence to the contrary then I might change my mind, but so far I haven’t come across it, and you’re just posting in anger so it’s not like you’ve got much credibility.

zerfuffle ,

There’s evidence of Israel bombing the hospital in the past, evidence of them demanding an evacuation, evidence of them bombing the medical director’s home because he didn’t call an evacuation, evidence of Israeli jets in the area…

What exactly is the evidence that it isn’t a JDAM? The lack of casualties?

Oh wait.

TWeaK ,

Yep, there’s evidence of Israelis doing dodgy shit and coming up with excuses all over. So it wouldn’t be surprising if it was an Israeli attack - but that alone doesn’t mean that it is.

What exactly is the evidence that it isn’t a JDAM? The lack of casualties?

Mainly the lack of damage to anything, the nature of the explosion. JDAM’s from high up leave a big crater - there is none, nor is there significant damge to buildings. This projectile seemed to be travelling horizontally, as if it misfired in the wrong direction.

It looks as if it hit some cars and the conflaguration was caused by fuel burning.

zerfuffle ,

Explain the casualty count, then? The casualty count has been verified by MSF doctors on the ground in Gaza.

TWeaK ,

It hasn’t been verified by MSF, it’s been repeated by a single doctor.

TWeaK ,

If it was an Israeli air strike, then how come there was no significant damage to any of the buildings and no crater?

twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/…/1714527504805904590

https://i.imgur.com/11ylCbS.jpg

You might have to get up out of your armchair to answer this one, don’t hurt yourself now.

zerfuffle ,

I’m sure the MSF is confirming 500+ dead because of no significant damage.

TWeaK ,

500+ dead was quoted instantly, they haven’t counted.

zerfuffle ,

MSF doctors on the ground are confirming those numbers

TWeaK ,

Link?

Doctors can be just as prone to parroting numbers they’ve heard without checking as anyone else.

zerfuffle ,

twitter.com/FSBRG/status/1714638724015804486?t=UL…

Dude’s on the ground rn I’m not sure what more you want lol

TWeaK ,

One of the most recent comments from that same guy:

Information is still emerging. At this stage, I would refrain from drawing any conclusion with 100% certainty.

You seem awfully certain.

zerfuffle ,

The debate is on the casualty counts, not on the attacker (which is what he is talking about).

You’re shifting goalposts lmfao

TWeaK ,

No, he means generally. His opinion is that Israel is the most likely culprit, but he does not give that as a certainty.

I’m not shifting any goalposts, I’m coming at you with rational reasoning.

zerfuffle ,

Haphazard georeferencing to other videos indicate that this image is of a different part of the hospital complex. I’m not going to link to the videos of dead and blown apart bodies because of community guidelines, but they’re out there and very clearly not in this area.

TWeaK ,

then how come there was no significant damage to any of the buildings and no crater?

zerfuffle ,

then how come 500+ people died?

TWeaK ,

I was repeating a question your previous reply did not answer.

I have already addressed the 500+ claim as highly suspicious, given that it was stated almost immediately after the attack. You have not addressed the nature of the explosion not lining up with JDAMs.

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