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Blursty ,
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It’s like a crowd of teenage gamers in here who’ve had too much sugar.

OurToothbrush ,

Theyre literally down voting “direct engagements between US and Russian military assets could lead to nuclear war”

Blursty ,
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And “Not wanting nuclear war is appeasement”.

They think they’re not on the side of the Nazis. smh.

InvertedParallax ,

That’s literally the only threat russia has.

We didn’t let them use it during the cold war because they “well-actually”'d their way through all of eastern europe, EXACTLY LIKE THEY’RE TRYING TO DO NOW!!!

So yes, I’m enjoying watching Russian kids bleed out on the battlefield very much, thank you, because everyone the Ukrainians leave feeding sunflowers is another one that isn’t threatening the Baltics or other peaceful countries.

OurToothbrush ,

We didn’t let them use it during the cold war because they “well-actually”'d their way through all of eastern europe

You know the USSR contained eastern europe that wasn’t controlled by the socialists in Yugoslavia right? They integrated them into their democracy after defeating the nazi collaborationist regimes and the Nazis. They subsidized their economies and those eastern European now nations voted overwhelmingly to stay in the soviet union in the last referendum on the issue.

EXACTLY LIKE THEY’RE TRYING TO DO NOW!!!

Seems to me they’re responding to a coup that the US were caught redhanded orchestrating or at least oppurtunistically using a protest to achieve. Nuland and Pyatt were talking about who to put in the government, Russia had them wiretapped and published it, and Nuland admitted it was real.

Not to mention the wave of violence, the banning of Russian language, etc in the lead up to the conflict.

So yes, I’m enjoying watching Russian kids bleed out on the battlefield very much, thank you, because everyone the Ukrainians leave feeding sunflowers is another one that isn’t threatening the Baltics or other peaceful countries.

You do realize you’re paying for that enjoyment with the blood of ukrainian conscripts right?

InvertedParallax ,

You know the USSR contained eastern europe that wasn’t controlled by the socialists in Yugoslavia right? They integrated them into their democracy after defeating the nazi collaborationist regimes and the Nazis. They subsidized their economies and those eastern European now nations voted overwhelmingly to stay in the soviet union in the last referendum on the issue.

Which is why they had to constantly attack their civilians with tanks, got it.

And you know Tito’s response to Stalin right?

You know the USSR contained eastern europe that wasn’t controlled by the socialists in Yugoslavia right? They integrated them into their democracy after defeating the nazi collaborationist regimes and the Nazis. They subsidized their economies and those eastern European now nations voted overwhelmingly to stay in the soviet union in the last referendum on the issue.> You do realize you’re paying for that enjoyment with the blood of ukrainian conscripts right?

They want to, and I’m paying for it with my tax dollars, gladly.

I know this doesn’t make sense, but some people care about freedom.

OurToothbrush ,

Which is why they had to constantly attack their civilians with tanks, got it.

They offered Hungary a peaceful settlement, and then soviet officials and random Jewish people started dying and they rolled in the tanks. Did you learn anything about 1956? Do you know how connected the uprising was to the nazi collaborationist government?

I know this doesn’t make sense, but some people care about freedom.

Is that why Ukraine is now funding Hitler youth camps? And why they’ve banned all the political opposition?

Master ,

They are treating you like a child because you are acting like one.

MeetInPotatoes ,

I’ll bet anyone 5 dollars and a pack of smokes that there’s some “Hunt for Red October” shit going on under the water.

TheSaneWriter ,
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What a worthless blockade, the whole point of a blockade is to prevent ships from entering or leaving. I wonder if the Russian Black Sea fleet is even still operational.

InvertedParallax , (edited )

You take that back!

The Russian black fleet is the strongest submarine fleet on the planet, they launched their newest vessel, The Moskva, just last year!

As the saying goes: “In the Russian Black Fleet, every ship is a potential submarine!”

Russian submarine technology is sp advanced they’re preparing to convert the entire Kurch bridge into a submarine! Western technology cannot match!

kingthrillgore ,
@kingthrillgore@kbin.social avatar

Third strongest naval fleet beneath the Black Sea

MeetInPotatoes ,

As the article says, it appears to have been a bluff and the west called them on it.

PersnickityPenguin ,

The whole invasion has been a bluff! Putin keeps threatening to nuke to West and NATO if we supplied Ukraine with assistance. Over and over and over. Well look how that went.

MeetInPotatoes ,

Good point!

Blursty ,
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Putin has never threatened to nuke the west. The only nuclear threats have some from the US.

gnutrino ,

Fucking lol, Medvedev has been threatening to nuke everyone and their cat every other day since this shitshow began. Cope more vatnik.

Blursty ,
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This isn’t reddit son. Back your claim up or stfu.

A1kmm ,

I knew Russian state endorsed journalists had been saying that sort of thing, but I thought they had a layer of plausible deniability by not having their actual ministers say things like that. But it turns out he is right, Medvedev did threaten to use nuclear weapons if Ukraine successfully regains the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territory: reuters.com/…/russias-medvedev-wed-have-use-nucle….

Blursty ,
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That was 2 days ago. Is that all you’ve got? I was just told that they’ve been constantly doing it.

runblack ,

Hahaha, first it was “that never happened!” but now it’s “that was only 2 days ago!”.

You should really think about the logic of your arguments.

TheSaneWriter ,
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Of course, these comments are from a lemmygrad user. Those morons think Russia is communist and anti-imperialist, no wonder they’re bending over backward to defend Putin.

gnutrino ,

reuters.com/…/russias-medvedev-wed-have-use-nucle…

reuters.com/…/russias-medvedev-warns-west-that-nu…

reuters.com/…/russias-medvedev-warns-united-state…

reuters.com/…/russias-medvedev-says-arms-supplies…

reuters.com/…/putin-ally-medvedev-warns-nuclear-w…

reuters.com/…/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deploym…

Blursty ,
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Every single one of these is outlined as a response to military aggression. Every one.

133arc585 ,
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Really shifting the goalposts there.

You start with

The only nuclear threats have some from the US.

Then someone provides a list of such events that are from Russia and not the US, then you shift to

Every single one of these is outlined as a response to military aggression.

The original commenter didn’t say they were without context. They simply said that the threats were made, which they were. You were so adamant that they weren’t made that when you were shown proof that they were made, you have to reframe it.

Blursty ,
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Then someone provides a list of such events

Didn’t happen. These are all responses to threats, not threats themselves.

133arc585 ,
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What a weird framing you’re taking. They’re literally threats. They’re contingent threats, but they’re still threats. Your claim was that they have not made threats; in reality, they have.

Also: isn’t every threat contingent? If the threat is “I will use nukes if X event occurs” it’s contingent on X occurring. If the threat is “I will use nukes” then it’s still contingent, but the contingency is implied: “I will use nukes if I want to”. There is no such thing as a threat that isn’t contingent.

In fact, since you asserted that the only threats had come from the US, can you point to any sources from the US that are threats (and let’s use your definition of threats here, too: you don’t get to point to a contingent threat)?

Blursty ,
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They’re contingent threats, but they’re still threats. Your claim was that they have not made threats; in reality, they have.

Okay then everyone is always in a state of threatening each other. Kind of meaningless.

PersnickityPenguin ,

That’s like, a logical fallacy, or something. I think. 🤔

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Operational? Sure. But not actually operating in the Black Sea region they are supposedly blockading.
Russia has long pulled many of their ships back to more secure locations to keep them from being targeted. It's basically typical Russian posturing. They can pretend to block grain ships in the Black Sea all they want but to actually do it they would need to have control there.
The only thing they could actually do is shooting missiles mostly blindly at everything that moves...

maporita ,

The best answer to Russia’s blockade would be a NATO escort. Unfortunately Turkey would need to be on board and Erdogan is trying to play the role of mediator in the conflict.

InvertedParallax ,

I actually don’t blame him for trying to play mediator, I think that’s a good thing here, because I want putin to think there’s always room to talk even while his army is being incinerated around him.

But we should send speedboats with the US flag carrying kfc in and out of Odessa with each convoy.

Ukraine is beating Russia, best case scenario for everyone is this keeps happening slowly enough that putin doesn’t do anything stupid while his empire collapses around him.

Blursty ,
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You’re in a bubble of complete misinformation. You cannot seriously believe Ukraine is beating Russia.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Well they’ve taken more land back in the last couple months than Russia took in the last year, so there’s that.

Russia were kicked out of Kyiv

Russia were kicked out of Kharkiv

Russia were kicked out of Kherson

The reclamation of Russian held Ukrainian land in the east and the south appears to be accelerating.

Russia is resorting to fielding T-54s and T-55s (how embarrassing 😬 )

Putins support at home appears to be slipping

Ukraine has the full support of the west

Russia barely has the tentative support of China

Blursty ,
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You’re being lied to. You need to drop wherever you’re getting your information, it’s all completely false. These are fantasies.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

So Russia still occupies the Kharkiv, Kherson and Kyiv regions do they?

Blursty , (edited )
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Russia never occupied Kiev, it pulled back after the peace agreement that Zelensky reneged on. Ukraine has lost its last army. It’s over, they have no chance. Good riddance to the Nazi scum.

EDIT: A lot of triggered Nazis in here today.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

They pulled back because the VDV were wiped out in the battle of hostomel airport and because they couldn’t fuel their tanks where Ukrainians kept blowing up their logistics.

“Good will gesture” was an attempt by the Kremlin to save face while they shuffled back to Belarus with their tail between their legs.

Blursty ,
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This is out of date propaganda. They pulled back because of a peace treaty. It didn’t make the news at the time.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUslOD36Q-Q

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

dont post tankie youtubers as sources. it makes you look bad

Blursty ,
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Don’t attack the messenger because you have no comeback. It makes you instantly concede the point.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

You made a bold inaccurate claim citing a source video of someone making a bold inaccurate claim who cites no source.

Blursty ,
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Sigh… he mentions sources in the video if you like. His point in the video aswell was that there were very few sources. You’re demanding something you know is impossible to provide, you’re just being dishonest with yourself.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

“THIS HAPPENED!!!

I HAVE NO PROOF

THE ONLY PEOPLE SAYING IT HAPPENED ARE KNOWN LIARS

BELLLIEEEEVVVVEEEE MEEEE!!!”

That’s what you sound like

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Okay then. Let’s hear your take again?

Good to know that The Independent is lying media.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

At no point during the video does RM cite The Independent as a source.

But even if he had:

The Independent is owned by a former KGB officer

Looking at this youtubers video catalog there is definitely a common theme among his videos.

Why accuse me of citing propaganda whilst sending me obvious propaganda?

Blursty ,
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Everything is propaganda. The question should be what is the truth?

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

The truth is Russia is the antagonist in this conflict and in many ways are what they accuse Ukraine of being

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Okay?

CallumWells ,

Unfortunately they won’t give you any sources to back up their claims, because they are projecting hard.

zephyrvs ,

Propaganda and repetition. Worked 100+ years ago, still does.

UlrikHD ,
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flair Instance checks out.

OurToothbrush , (edited )

Do you want nuclear war? Because nato and Russia engaging in direct combat is a path to that. I know some US citizens believe that the US has a nuclear missile intercept program so they won’t be affected, but no such system exists and is effective. If one warship fires on another it could lead to a chain of events that kills us all

InvertedParallax ,

Ww2 started because everyone bent over for the Germans and Japanese, which encouraged them.

In this case, si vis pacem, para bellum.

Either putin is sane and pulls back, or he’s insane and war was inevitable.

OurToothbrush ,

Ww2 started because everyone bent over for the Germans and Japanese, which encouraged them

This is extremely simplified and comes off as silly. German appeasement was partially because France and Britain wanted Germany to attack the USSR, partially because they needed time to rearm. The US empire had a policy of provocation and containment of the Japanese empire.

In the era of nuclear powers wars are done with non nuclear proxies to avoid a nuclear exchange.

WW2 was pre-nuclear weapons. It turns out that changing material conditions makes old responses inappropriate.

InvertedParallax ,

The US empire had a policy of provocation and containment of the Japanese empire.

We stopped selling them oil and steel, that’s it. After they butchered and butchered China including the rape of Nanking.

Dude, look in the mirror, you need to live with that person and you’re excusing the crimes of Unit 731.

OurToothbrush ,

Dude, look in the mirror, you need to live with that person and you’re excusing the crimes of Unit 731.

  1. Not a dude, stop assuming everyone on the internet is.
  2. The pacific theater were two extremely violent empires duking it out.

A) Do you think the US hasn’t done worse than the rape of Nanking and Unit 731?

B) The US policy of containing Japan and economically provoking them does not mean that Japan was justified, it is simply the lead up to war between two incredibly violent factions competing over the same resources.

InvertedParallax ,

Unit 731?

Show me something we did on that level, not acts of war like bombings, but actual monstrous cruelty on that level.

OurToothbrush ,

We’re still doing Guantanamo Bay. Abu graib is another one. If youre looking for direct comparisons. We also went around teaching puppet governments how to torture dissidents.

Not to mention that we saved the Unit 731 scientists for their expertise.

InvertedParallax ,

Oh my god. Gitmo, compared to Unit 731.

You need to read some history.

OurToothbrush ,

I have. The US is much better at keeping its prisoners alive so they can be tortured longer, but they have had longer to practice and Unit 731’s notes.

If youre not willing to accept that, we could also go with the tuskegee experiment, nuclear testing around indigenous communities and then studying the results or agent orange, killing millions of people over the last twenty years, special forces routinely kidnapping and raping to death minors around US military bases, whatever floats your boat

InvertedParallax ,

Still not as bad, oh it’s serious stuff, but not on the level of 731.

You need to read more.

OurToothbrush , (edited )

I’ve read a lot about it actually. I wonder if maybe you haven’t read a lot about what the US has done to its prisoners.

Also are you really saying unit 731 was worse than killing 4 million vietnamese, or helping pol pot kill a quarter of his country, or killing 20 percent of all Koreans and installing a military puppet in the south? Or using sanctions to cause mass starvation of an entire country that we’ve spent twenty years occupying or destroying?

InvertedParallax ,

In the era of nuclear powers wars are done with non nuclear proxies to avoid a nuclear exchange.

Great, then we’ll give Ukraine F-35s, F-22s, B-1Bs, swarms of Predators and Reapers and be on our way then.

See how easy it is to proxy war Zelensky right into Moscow with a smile.

There are no “Rules” to war, people do what they do and you have to be ready for it. Putin made a catastrophic error and we have to prepare for all eventualities, both good and bad, which means para bellum.

OurToothbrush ,

Great, then we’ll give Ukraine F-35s, F-22s, B-1Bs, swarms of Predators and Reapers and be on our way then.

Sure, why not? And while we are at it why not some white elephants?

Also predators and reapers are meant for asymmetric operations where your opponent doesn’t have AA or an airforce.

If you want to give Ukraine an advantage and continue the bloody war just make more artillery shells.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Or the US is sane and pulls back to their own side of the planet.

InvertedParallax ,

We’re not over there, and the only help we’re giving is because we’re asked.

People hate russia, they want our help killing russians. Help we are happy to provide.

OurToothbrush ,

Asked by the government we helped install. Do you not remember the Nuland/Pyatt call?

InvertedParallax ,

Have you spoken to actual Ukrainians?

They hate Russians, they hate them like… everybody else really.

Congratulations, Russia managed to do the impossible, unite the world.

OurToothbrush ,

Have you spoken to actual Ukrainians?

Yes, actually. An ethnically russian ukrainian who fled before the war. Can you guess why she had reason to flee?

Congratulations, Russia managed to do the impossible, unite the world.

Strange how most of the world is either neutral or supportive of Russia then. NATO countries aren’t the entire world.

Blursty ,
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Nobody hates Russia, except new watching normies. The US is trying to weaken Russia to rob and pillage it again.

InvertedParallax ,

No, we’re working with China to weaken Russia so we can divide it between us.

That was the deal.

China had s choice between a weak and stupid russia as an erratic ally, or a broken russia as a resource depot. They hesitated, but the war in Ukraine sold it.

The irony is putin started the war partly to look strong in front of Xi so he wasn’t the junior partner in an alliance. The delicious, delicious irony.

It’s pronounced knee-how btw, might want to practice.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Did the Sasquatch man tell you this or was it the gray aliens?

InvertedParallax ,

2nd strongest army on the world, now 2nd strongest army in Ukraine.

Delicious, delicious irony, the US finally got the one thing it needed to destroy Russia forever.

An excuse.

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