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Far-right mass killer Breivik sues Norway for human rights abuse

A lawsuit launched by far-right fanatic and mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik accusing the state of abusing his human rights has opened in Norway.

Breivik, who killed 77 people in a bombing and shooting rampage in 2011, appeared in a court set up in the high-security jail in which he is serving his sentence on Monday. By accusing Norway’s Ministry of Justice of breaching his human rights, he hopes to force the authorities to end his years in isolation.

The 44-year-old killer’s lawyer laid out an argument that the conditions of his detention violated his human rights.

“He has been isolated for about 12 years,” Oeystein Storrvik told the hearing. “He is only in contact with professionals, not with other inmates.”

In earlier court filings, Storrvik had argued the isolation had left Breivik suicidal and dependent on the anti-depression medication Prozac.

Breivik claims the isolation he has faced since he started serving his prison sentence in 2012 amounts to inhumane punishment under the European Convention on Human Rights. He failed in a similar attempt in 2016 -17, when his appeal was denied by the European Court of Justice.

The extremist, who distributed copies of a manifesto before his attack, is suing the state and also asking the court to lift restrictions on his correspondence with the outside world.

He killed eight people with a car bomb in Oslo then gunned down 69 others, most of them teenagers, at a Labour Party youth camp. It was Norway’s worst peacetime atrocity.

Breivik spends his time in a dedicated section of Ringerike prison, the third prison in which he has been held. His separated section includes a training room, a kitchen, a TV room and a bathroom, pictures from a visit last month by news agency NTB showed.

He is allowed to keep three budgerigars as pets and let them fly freely in the area, NTB reported.

read more: aljazeera.com/…/far-right-mass-killer-breivik-sue…

ThePac ,

Surgically install a GPS tracker on his body, give the public his whereabouts, and let him go.

HowMany ,

I’ve seen video of the cell he’s “suffering” in. Mother of god would my existence be that pleasant and well attended.

aaaaaaadjsf ,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

It’s much nicer than the place I’m living in now lol.

HowMany ,

Seriously. It’s almost a “tell me who do I have to kill?” kind of thing looking at his ‘prison’. Nice place.

Rootiest ,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah if he thinks he has it so bad send him over to a prison in the southern US for a bit, bet he’ll be missing his “inhumane treatment” back home

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

People like him are why Norway’s system is immoral.

It’s immoral to tell a community they owe something to someone actively trying to destroy it. The community is allowed to put its best interests above threats to it, and that is the only moral mindset.

The garbage people spew to justify letting Norway harm everyone else by essentially enabling this scumbag is simply immoral, and always has been.

FlorianSimon ,

What do you suggest? An execution?

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

Not giving angry disaffected people like you who get aggressive at the slightest hint of your precious sacred cow being questioned an audience, to start.

FlorianSimon ,

I wasn’t being aggressive, honestly. I tried to appear as calm as possible, but it looks like I failed.

That was a genuine question. What is the right thing to do in your opinion?

enitoni ,
@enitoni@beehaw.org avatar

Hi, Norwegian here. Care to explain what you’re talking about? This country is far from perfect but your rhetoric is confusing and feels a little undeserved.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

It’s obvious what I am talking about and your attitude is therefore clearly disingenuous and in bad faith, but you can go ahead, take the last word and play dumb for internet points if you want. I don’t have time for your shit today.

enitoni , (edited )
@enitoni@beehaw.org avatar

Ok. Or you could answer my question instead of assuming I’m being disingenuous for wanting to understand you. If this is how you act towards people simply for asking a question then block me.

And no, it’s not obvious. It’s not obvious at all.

arc , (edited )

Breivik is the sort of murderer, where there is absolutely zero doubt about his guilt, where the crimes themselves are heinous, and where he should never see the outside of a jail cell ever. If Norway had voted to throw him down a mineshaft, or imprison him in a windowless cell where he was fed slops for the rest of his life I couldn’t care less.

But Norway isn’t like that and he is being treated exceptionally well by any standard for his category of offence. His pathetic narcissistic legal whining to the courts will go nowhere and he’ll stew in prison for as long as they can legally hold him. I think authorities would be relieved if he made good on his threats since it spares them the concern of what happens if he is eventually released.

Che_Donkey ,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

It is his form of entertainment & probably feels like this gives him a stage & relevance. Piece of shit should never see the outside of his cell, and all his court appearances should be via cctv.

madcaesar ,

Hold on, hold on, hold on… Are you telling me this piece of shit isn’t going to spend the rest of his life in prison??? What do you mean for as long as they can hold him??

pazzeda ,

Well, once his life sentence is up, (in Norway it is 21 years), he can be sentenced by a court to an extension of 5 years at a time if they feel it necessary. And I think he will be facing many such extensions.

madcaesar ,

Good to know.

arc , (edited )

Norway has life sentences that mean 21 years. they might hold him indefinitely with extensions while he is a danger to society. But this POS could become enfeebled, or sick, or feign remorse in which case he might get released. I expect his freedom will be very brief and painful however.

Syndic ,

Thanks for that comment. Way to many people hearing this would want Norway to change their justice system to the worse to make the life of one horrible person worse. Luckily Norwegians do understand how good their system is and don’t want to destroy it for such petty reasons like vengeance.

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

Normally not into the state killing people, but they should just kill this fucker.

Quaxamilliom ,
@Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net avatar

No they shouldn’t

They should hand him over to the families to kill him.

Syndic , (edited )

Luckily Norwegians do understand and respect their justice system better than people like you and don’t want to introduce such a shitty tool of vengeance just for one guy. Especially since that very fucker wanted Norway to get a much harsher justice system in the first place. Them granting him the same rights every other prisoner in Norway has, is winning against his ideology of hatred.

And the success of their justice system, especially when compared to countries who use death penalty and other punitive measures such as state sanctioned rape, speaks for itself. Many countries could learn a lot from Norway.

Thordros ,
@Thordros@hexbear.net avatar

He does this constantly. It’ll never go anywhere.

Dolores ,
@Dolores@hexbear.net avatar

yeah okay 12 years of solitary is pretty bad, though amenities are better in norwegian prisons than elsewhere. they should probably put him with other prisoners or release him, he’ll probably get killed pretty quick but if that’s what he wants… shrug-outta-hecks

Dra ,

Oh bless your soul. He won’t get killed in Norway.

Awoo ,

Being a child killer among other people that have committed murders but still have some principles is usually not good. Not to mention being like THE child killer in Norway not just any child killer.

I’m British, THE child killer here would’ve been Myra Hindley, would I have killed her in prison? Yes. Yes I would. I’m pretty sure there’s some fairly rough guys in there that would not take kindly to a person that slaughtered 69 kids one by one by one at a fucking summer camp.

So many good future socialists died that day. I completely guarantee someone kills the fucker if he is mixed in with everyone.

Not really sure why you think Norwegians are ontologically predisposed to not want to kill child mass murderers tbh.

Quaxamilliom ,
@Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net avatar

THE child killer here would’ve been Myra Hindley

She’s the anti-mother, mommy is that you?

She’s the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?

It’s Myra Hindley on the cover,

Your very own sweet anti-mother.

There she is on the pages of The Star,

Ain’t that just the place you wish you were?

Let her rot in hell is what you said,

Let her rot, let her starve, you’d see her dead.

Let her out but don’t forget to tell you where she is,

The chance to screw her is a chance you wouldn’t miss.

Let her suffer, give her pain is the verdict you gave,

You just can’t wait to piss on her grave.

You pretend that you’re horrified, make out that you care,

But really you wish that you had been there.

You say you can’t bear the thought of what she did,

But you’d do it to her, you’d see her dead.

Tell me, what is the difference between her and you?

You say that you would kill her, well, what else would you do?

Don’t you see that violence has no end? Isn’t limited by rules?

Don’t you see as angels preaching you’re nothing but the fools?

Fools step in, where angels fear to tread,

You see, to kill others is the ethic of the dead.

She’s the anti-mother, mommy is that you?

She’s the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?

That single mug shot from the past

Ensures your fantasy can last and last.

It gives you the chance to air your hate

Because she got there first, you were too late.

Hindleys’ crime was to do what others think,

Took her anger and her prejudice and pushed it to the brink.

Then you goodly christian people, with your sickly mask of love,

Would tear that woman limb from limb, you’d never get enough.

So you keep the story alive,

So you can make yourselves believe,

That you are so much better than her.

But you aren’t, that’s YOUR GUILT laying there.

She’s the anti-mother, mommy is that you?

She’s the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?

She’s the anti-mother, mommy is that you?

She’s the anti-mother, mother, mother is that you?

Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother? Mother?

Awoo ,

Yeah you get what I mean about her being THE child killer here lol.

Even the average person would’ve fucking killed her given the chance. This is Breivik. He’s a monster and someone absolutely would try and have him given the chance.

Quaxamilliom ,
@Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net avatar

Yea, I get you, Ive just never really heard of Myra Hindly except for the Crass song so when I saw her name drop I had to post the lyrics lol. Im all for these people getting the wall, Crass were radlibs but good music none the less.

arc ,

Exactly. As soon as his whereabouts were known he’d be the target of everyone. Not just political groups, but just normal people on the street. If he’s lucky they’ll just spit in his face. If he’s not he’ll get beaten up or worse.

arc ,

It’ll be interesting to see what happens if he’s ever released but I don’t think he’ll be enjoying his freedom for very long.

sooper_dooper_roofer ,

Honestly I hope he gets it

and I hope a Muslim immigrant stabs him a week after he’s released

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

Doesn’t even have to be a Muslim immigrant nor a week after.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

They should use this guy for scientific experiments instead of the poor little animals

barrbaric ,

Should’ve just thrown him in a barbara-pit

420blazeit69 ,

I’m not a prison abolitionist

shrug-outta-hecks

kristina ,

I am, don’t need prisons for dead Nazis

420blazeit69 ,

The death penalty is not abolitionist. If you think they should just kill this guy but are also vaguely in favor of prison abolition, there’s a real contradiction you need to work out.

bubbalu ,

I think the callous language used to describe people’s wishes here is incorrect and gross, but I don’t wholly disagree. It doesn’t seem contradictory to envision restorative justice for anti-social violence and repression of our class enemies by any means necessary. What else can class struggle entail? Mao reminds us “revolution is not a dinner party. It is a violent process by which one class overthrows another.” Violence is not to be treated lightly.

What to do with severely mentally ill but structurely-powerless reactionaries is a difficult edge case. I think relatively humane life imprisonment is the best option.

crystalmerchant ,

Human rights abuse fuck the fuck off fucker

Omega_Haxors ,

Conservatives don’t deserve human rights.

interolivary ,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

They are an existential threat as this point. Not only are they the biggest opposition to climate action, they’re also inevitably going to produce more Breiviks (or Hitlers for that matter)

Crikeste ,

Why should they get rights when they want to take away them from other?

Oh wait that makes me them. Shit.

Bremmy ,

We don’t tolerate the intolerant

Zerush , (edited )
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

All people deserve to be treated according to human rights, although I have doubts about exemplars like Breivic, who is not a conservative, but a fucking nazi killer bastard, who does not deserve to be named as a human, nor to be named as an animal so as not to insult these. I don’t even understand why they give it prominence with this news. It’s okay to be locked up for life, away from people, I hope as the girlfriend of a 2-meter prisoner, that puts his ass off like the exhaust pipe of a truck.

Omega_Haxors ,

If your entire ideology is to push fascism and take away other’s human rights you’ve lost the right to have them protect yourself. Things have only gotten so bad because we’ve passively protected these monsters and it’s time we treat them like the threats to society that they are.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

It is the misunderstood tolerance, of also tolerating those who want to destroy it. Giving them protagonism as an equal, will end in destruction of a civilized society. Fascism is not a political ideology that can be discussed, it is a system of plain oppression that does not tolerate oppositions, that suppresses using violence, just as this 🤬 Breivic showed, murdering twenty young people in cold blood one after another and killing 70 people with a bomb.

Dra ,

Just a normal, well-adjusted lemmy comment definitely not made by a chronically online person with little to no real life experience…

Human rights, for murderers, all the way to people who marginally disagree with you politically is the foundation of a civilised society.

Omega_Haxors ,

Look at how far “civilized” has gotten us. I would say that the “civilized” world is only for white people, but that’s not even the case anymore.

100_percent_a_bot ,

Sorry buddy, to get to complain about human rights you actually have to be human.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

“He has been isolated for about 12 years,” Oeystein Storrvik told the hearing. “He is only in contact with professionals, not with other inmates.”

Depending on the extent of the isolation he might actually have a case. Being deprived of human contact is extremely unhealthy.

Just execute him if he’s going to basically be in solitary for the rest of his life. It’d be more humane.

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

but have you considered that he deserves to suffer?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t care that he’s suffering, but the fact that he is suffering still means his lawsuit has standing.

Also, like I said, if they’re going to leave him in solitary his whole life they should just kill him.

ZahzenEclipse ,

I personally beleive the death penalty shouldn't exist for people like Brevik. The best case scenario is he suffers for the rest of his days. He can't be rehabilitated and he shouldn't be.

His acts were so evil he deserves to suffer. Laws should change to ensure people like him can suffer.

queermunist , (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The problem is some human has to be responsible for his suffering and that’s bad for us. Even the suffering of animals makes people depressed and suicidal. What would running the torment nexus do to a person?

EDIT Also, suffering is pointless. I think he should be forced to pay back his crimes to society, not just suffer and/or die.

ZahzenEclipse ,

Suffering isn't pointless. It makes me and many others feel good if horrible people like Brevik suffer, its justice for the people who suffer everyday due to Breviks crimes. Governments through history have been responsible for a ton of suffering - this is one of those rare instances where it's fully justified.

But I'll admit, wanting revenge isn't great and you're right, we shouldn't setup systems to enact revenge. That being said, some people are so terrible they need to be locked up and separated from society permanently. Since enacting a death penalty is both expensive and takes a very long time if you want to have the proper checks and balances to ensure innocent people aren't being executed, that tells me life imprisonment is the only option for people that would or should be otherwise executed.

Maybe he changes his tune in 10 years and becomes a voice against the terrorism he tried to inspire. That could end up with an at least beneficial outcome for society.

Scipitie ,

That point doesn’t matter in these jurisdictions (i.e. Western European ones I am aware of) . Confinement has two reasons and two only: rehabilitation and protection of the public. Revenge doesn’t have a place there. In my opinion rightfully so because the need for revenge is utterly subjective which laws need to avoid.

For example: I would see it as appropriate to nail this bastard on a wall by his balls. BUT I’m aware that this is mainly due to the publicity he got. How would I standardize ball nailing? How much would a shoplifter get? 1/4 of a testicle for half a day? And what would be the equivalent to criminals without scrotum?

But jokes aside: revenge can’t take place via public court. And I’m not informed about civil court mechanics in Norway.

Bonus: human rights apply to every single human. Each of them. And you can’t lose them. If that’s a good idea I’ll leave to each one to decide.

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

For example: I would see it as appropriate to nail this bastard on a wall by his balls.

well at least we can agree on this. and nothing else.

How would I standardize ball nailing?

how about “every nazi child killer gets cock crucified and everyone else gets normal person jail”?

How much would a shoplifter get?

nothing, shoplifting is cool.

Badeendje , (edited )
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    queermunist ,
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    You don’t get to be sanctimonious about the death penalty and still be okay with what is essentially a form of torture through isolation.

    Either stop torturing him or kill him. Pick one.

    Badeendje , (edited )
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    Flag ,
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    It may also be a case of protecting him from them.

    Blackmist ,

    Yeah, I’m sure Omar and Bilal will be absolutely delighted to hear about his ideology.

    Algaroth ,

    Even some neo-nazis have condemned him because the majority of his victims where ethnically Norwegian. He just went after them for being “leftist”.

    Blackmist ,

    Complains there are too many Muslims in Norway.

    Not actually enough of them in one place to make a massacre worthwhile.

    Flag ,
    @Flag@kbin.social avatar

    Whats that got to do with the risk of other inmates maybe wanting to kill him for his actions?

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Protected from him? He’s a doughboy 😂

    A whole range of professionals in fields like psychology, radicalization, resocialization, reform and prisons were consulted for Guantanamo Bay too. Your appeal to authority isn’t as strong as you think it is. 🙄

    Tangentism ,

    and still be okay with what is essentially a form of torture through isolation.

    He doesnt play well with others. The last he was allowed out, he killed 77 people after shooting and bombing them. He is basically been put on the naughty step and is wailing about it, and as far as naughty steps comparably go, he is living in luxury.

    If not kept in isolation, he will radicalise others because he is entirely unrepentant for what he has done and sees no wrong in it. If we see what he did as wrong then how can we justify killing, no matter how sterile and regulated we make the conditions?

    Badeendje ,
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    Plus, there is the chance you where wrong. And there is no undoing the deathpenalty. I’m not saying that letting someone out after 50 years and saying “our bad” is good, but at least you get to say I’m sorry we where wrong. The truth matters.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    There’s no undoing decades of isolation either.

    pozbo ,
    @pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s no undoing

    Ooh my turn!

    77 bombed out corpses can’t be undone either.

    Who’s turn now?

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    There must be some way to allow him around other people without allowing him to spread his ideology. For instance, maybe don’t let him be around white people. He doesn’t like isolation? Okay, here you go buddy!

    . If we see what he did as wrong then how can we justify killing, no matter how sterile and regulated we make the conditions?

    You can’t justify endless isolation either. Between two unjustified and inhumane options, at least death is final. He might be isolated for several more decades.

    Lhianna ,

    Yeah, well, maybe he should have thought about that before murdering so many people. I’m quite fine with that kind of torture, in fact, I think he’s living in pretty good conditions.

    Encode1307 ,

    He’s not isolated, he’s with staff all day long. They talk to him and play Xbox with him.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    It doesn’t sound like he’s with staff all day long. Is that really how it is? Cuz yeah, that’s not isolation lol

    Encode1307 ,

    Yes I’ve met the guy in charge of the staff that are with him. 5 staff that rotate every 6 months.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    What do you mean by “with him”? If they’re just watching him through cameras and bringing meals to a door slot that’s still isolation.

    Encode1307 ,

    In the suite with him.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    If true, I don’t think he really has a case. True solitary confinement, like we have in the US, is inhumane torture where you start hallucinating because you don’t see another human being for days at a time (at minimum they kick in after 72 hours iirc)

    If he’s interacting with people, that’s not solitary. That’s just normal loneliness. Plenty of people don’t have friends, it’s sadly normal.

    Encode1307 ,

    I’ve been in a lot of state and federal prisons in the US and I’ve never seen what you describe. The only inmates that are left alone in cells for days at a time are so extraordinarily violent that they can’t be let out without someone getting hurt. Even they have interaction with health and security staff, but it’s through a window.

    Disciplinary segregation in every prison I’ve been in usually have two people to a cell whenever possible (which results in much lower suicide risk) and they’re let out several hours a day if they’re safe to do so. They can and do talk to people in adjacent cells all day long.

    It’s still fucking miserable, but it’s not what you think.

    In Norway, they get much more out of cell time in segregation as long as they’re safe. There are people that are only let out of cell alone, if they’re really violent.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    BATON ROUGE, La. — New court filings reveal for the first time that children — almost all Black boys — are being placed in routine solitary confinement for 72 hours when they are detained in the former death row building of the nation’s largest adult maximum security prison — Louisiana State Penitentiary, known as Angola.

    According to a new emergency filing in the ongoing Alex A v. Edwards lawsuit, children at Angola describe:

    Clbull ,

    Just execute him if he’s going to basically be in solitary for the rest of his life. It’d be more humane.

    The European Convention on Human Rights forbids the death penalty.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    It also forbids inhumane treatment yet here we are

    tooLikeTheNope ,

    Just execute him if he’s going to basically be in solitary for the rest of his life. It’d be more humane.

    No I agree, really, they should let him meet the relatives of the 77 people he killed.

    All of them.

    At once.

    queermunist , (edited )
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Your sadism is noted, but killing people is bad for you. For the relatives sake they probably shouldn’t be allowed to do that lol

    tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

    Your sadism is noted

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

    The point is that as as someone else also pointed out he’s not alone, just there is a difference between the people who he is allowed to meet and those he’d like to meet. That is an integral feature about being jailed as opposed to walking free, and in his case there is a good reason for that.

    Of course I wish he too could be one day reintegrated into the society, and the Norway jail system is mile ahead of most any other country in this, especially the US, but from his requests from the article this doesn’t seems the case yet, at all.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    No one is talking about letting him free? We’re talking about him allegedly living in isolation for 12 years. That’s fucked up (if true, based on another poster’s first-hand knowledge he is surrounded by staff all the time so it’s not really solitary confinement)

    arc ,

    I suspect Breivik would have been allowed to meet more people, and increased interactions with other prisoners if he showed any kind of remorse or repentance for his crimes. But since he doesn’t, and uses these lawsuits to advance his cause, it’s no wonder that Norwegian authorities have chosen to limit his interactions to the absolute legal minimum because screw him.

    arc ,

    Sadly for him he committed his crimes in a country without the death penalty. So he gets everything the state can throw at him for the rest of his life. I still think that a regular life prisoner in a US prison would envy his treatment compared to theirs.

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