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viking ,
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To someone living in China, this is just a giant smokescreen. The economy is dwindling, unemployment at an all time high (so high, in fact, that since October the statistics ministry is not allowed to publish figures anymore), inflation is high, private indebtedness on alarming levels, the gov had to save 6 banks from collapsing, and a bunch of shadow lenders did collapse, there is a real estate crisis, private spending down to a minimum, public spending increasingly erratic, and educated Chinese are leaving by the hundredthousands every month.

brain_in_a_box ,
viking ,
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Oh it’s not that bad, else I’d have long since left myself. But the decline is tangible.

TC_209 ,

How long have you been living in China?

Joncash2 ,

There’s 2 errors in your assessment. Otherwise, I pretty much agree.

  1. Their problem isn’t inflation, but deflation. As their output is greater than their domestic and international consumption. This leads to lower profit margins. It’s a huge problem, just not in the direction your implying.

bloomberg.com/…/china-s-industrial-profits-rise-t…

  1. The brain drain is in the thousands per month leading to tens of thousands a year. It’s not good, but no where as bad as your implying.

bloomberg.com/…/china-s-industrial-profits-rise-t…

So, while yes I agree with you that China’s economy is in bad shape. Those 2 data points are incorrect.

nekandro OP ,

This year, we have marched forward with solid steps. We achieved a smooth transition in our COVID-19 response efforts. The Chinese economy has sustained the momentum of recovery. Steady progress has been made in pursuing high-quality development. Our modernized industrial system has been further upgraded. A number of advanced, smart and green industries are rapidly emerging as new pillars of the economy. We have secured a bumper harvest for the 20th year in a row. Waters have become clearer and mountains greener. New advances have been made in pursuing rural revitalization. New progress has been made in fully revitalizing northeast China. The Xiong’an New Area is growing fast, the Yangtze River Economic Belt is full of vitality, and the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area is embracing new development opportunities. Having weathered the storm, the Chinese economy is more resilient and dynamic than before.

This year, we have marched forward with robust steps. Thanks to years of dedicated efforts, China’s innovation-driven development is full of energy. The C919 large passenger airliner entered commercial service. The Chinese-built large cruise ship completed its trial voyage. The Shenzhou spaceships are continuing their missions in space. The deep-sea manned submersible Fendouzhe reached the deepest ocean trench. Products designed and made in China, especially trendy brands, are highly popular with consumers. The latest models of Chinese-made mobile phones are an instant market success. New energy vehicles, lithium batteries, and photovoltaic products are a new testimony to China’s manufacturing prowess. Everywhere across our country, new heights are being scaled with dogged determination, and new creations and innovations are emerging every day.

This year, we have marched forward in high spirits. The Chengdu FISU World University Games and the Hangzhou Asian Games presented spectacular sports scenes, and Chinese athletes excelled in their competitions. Tourist destinations are full of visitors on holidays, and the film market is booming. The “village super league” football games and “village spring festival gala” are immensely popular. More people are embracing low-carbon lifestyles. All these exhilarating activities have made our lives richer and more colorful, and they mark the return of bustling life across the country. They embody people’s pursuit of a beautiful life, and present a vibrant and flourishing China to the world.

This year, we have marched forward with great confidence. China is a great country with a great civilization. Across this vast expanse of land, wisps of smoke in deserts of the north and drizzles in the south invoke our fond memory of many millennium-old stories. The mighty Yellow River and Yangtze River never fail to inspire us. Discoveries at the archeological sites of Liangzhu and Erlitou tell us much about the dawn of Chinese civilization. The ancient Chinese characters inscribed on oracle bones of the Yin Ruins, the cultural treasures of the Sanxingdui Site, and the collections of the National Archives of Publications and Culture bear witness to the evolution of Chinese culture. All this stands as testament to the time-honored history of China and its splendid civilization. And all this is the source from which our confidence and strength are derived.

Compare this to the 2023 Major Accomplishments of the Biden-Harris Administration:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/18e32905-65ec-44df-86c7-a7b08d41773a.jpeg

nekandro OP ,

“Cracked down on junk fees”

“Announced plans (but didn’t complete them, and in many cases like the CHIPS Act didn’t even divest funding for them)”

“Took action to protect abortion (despite the Biden administration overseeing the single greatest step backwards in abortion access in US history)”

“Created an office”

“Stood up for [genocide in] Israel”

“Confirmed a bunch of judges for life”

ninjan ,

In one corner a country were dissent is stomped out with extreme prejudice and political decisions are pushed through speedily and without fuzz regardless of the quality of the idea.

In the other corner a country in the middle the most politically turbulent period of the last 100 years. Where every attempt at pushing any legislation or decision through is met with intense pushback and stalling measures.

Another important aspect here is that progress is alot easier when you’re one step behind and have someone to blaze the trail and give inspiration. It will be interesting to see if China can actually drive technology forward and be the trailblazers once they’re fully caught up in the coming years which they’re on target for.

brain_in_a_box ,

“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”

-Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds

Omega_Haxors ,

Blackshirts and Reds is essential reading in this day and age. So many people side with nazis without even realizing it.

ninjan ,

I agree with the sentiment, though not directed at my post since I’m not disparaging China for their success. I’m merely trying to add nauance. You started the comparison, you made a point of beating down on what Biden (the closest analog to Xi Jin Ping) posted.

Like literally every nation and person on this blue planet China does some good and some bad. I tend to think what they do badly is more important, human rights and political freedom ranks very high to me, and I know that is because I’m steeped in western culture and morals. And I’m absolutely not saying the US are poster boys for those issues, if you check my post history I shit heavily on the US for their violations like supporting Israel virtually unconditionally or their butchering of the MENA region throughout the last 2 decades.

China has, coincidentally after they moved a few pinholes away from “hardcore” communism, raised hundreds of millions of people (if not a billion by now) out of poverty, directly in their own country and indirectly in neighbouring nations. That is commendable. They also serve as a balance to US hegemony which I value, we can’t have one nation that effectively could conquer all others, democracy or not it only takes one Hitler to raise to power in such a nation for the world to crumble, and we can’t allow that.

So don’t try to deflect my criticism by misconstruing my comment as unnuanced china bashing.

brain_in_a_box ,

You tried to attribute China’s success to it being “a country were dissent is stomped out with extreme prejudice and political decisions are pushed through speedily and without fuzz regardless of the quality of the idea.” Spare me the “I’m merely trying to add nuance” nonsense.

You started the comparison, you made a point of beating down on what Biden

Where?

I tend to think what they do badly is more important, human rights and political freedom ranks very high to me

Lol

that is because I’m steeped in western culture and morals

Loool

mlg ,
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Strengethed Democracy at Home and Abroad

There is a very pissed off Pakistan that torpedoed its democratically elected government because Biden demanded that they follow US foreign policy.

So naturally the Pakistani army assassinated some journalists, disappeared a few hundred people, threw the former PM and his associates in jail, subjected them to torture, and then begged the USA for an IMF loan since all of that caused the economy to literally combust as everyone ran out of USD to pay for imports.

All while the former COAS is having a lavish trip across Europe, and the previously criminally charged PM is back in town like nothing happened.

Now, just take this story and apply it to practically every country the USA has even a tiny strategic interest in.

Basically, the only improvement from the CIA coup days, is that they just tell them to run it through some corrupt national court so Blinken can roll in the next day and call it democratic.

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