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Blinken warns Israel that humanitarian conditions in Gaza must improve to have 'partners for peace'

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is warning Israel that it risks destroying an eventual possibility for peace unless it acts swiftly to improve humanitarian conditions in Gaza for Palestinian civilians as it intensifies its war against Hamas.

badbytes ,

Israel never wanted peace, only genocide. Sad they wish to eradicate all others.

Shardikprime ,

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1937 - Peel commission, rejected

1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

2000 - Camp David, rejected

2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -

None

TinyPizza OP ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

So maybe your saying they had this coming?

roguetrick ,

Biden's positioning himself to be an "ally to Israel" but not to Bibi. Bibi's a sinking ship. They don't actually care about anyone in Gaza though.

erranto , (edited )

Unfortunately the populas still believes in Press declaration and official statements. while what is being discussed and agreed behind the curtains is the Total opposite of that.

gkd ,
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you dont say

Cockmaster6000 ,

Bro I don’t think Israel wants peace. It wants the Gaza strip and the rest of Palestine too.

LadyAutumn ,
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Didn’t they release a document this week being like “Yeah we want all Palestinians to get the fuck out of Israel, they can go to Canada or some shit”?

I mean it’s no surprise. They have never been subtle about their genocidal intentions.

fubo ,

Hamas could begin by releasing, for civilian humanitarian use, the fuel and supplies they have previously stolen from hospitals and aid groups.

TinyPizza OP ,
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Israel could begin by not bombing internationally recognized medivac convoys an hour ago? Since they're the ones doing all the killing at the moment why don't we start there?

Edit: also, was that you just justifying collective punishment, a literal war crime? It's so common now, I almost completely brushed over it.

Diabolo96 ,

His comment is typical isreali bullshit propaganda. Block water,food and electricity and everything else then blame Palestinians and their freedom fighters for it. It defies logic and yet if it didn’t work they wouldn’t spew it everywhere.

TinyPizza OP ,
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I think it's working less by the hour.

Diabolo96 , (edited )

I seriously hope. They even started killing journalists to hide their atrocities and then blaming the other side . They don’t even try to hide their bullshiting anymore.

galloog1 ,

Your source literally does not identify that as an identified or even unidentified aid convoy. You have posted disinformation on other topical posts and I’m starting to think that you are working on behalf of a state level actor.

Folks, before you elevate posts that conform to your biases, at least validate that they are true.

Jaderick ,

I’m not sure what your problem is with the article.

Both sides say an ambulance convoy was hit by Israel. Israel says Hamas was in there and the other side said it was just aid. It says Israel has not proved Hamas fighters were hit and the Gaza health ministry has not reported a number for those killed.

galloog1 ,

His narrative is that it was internationally recognized, which it was not. Words have meaning and he is a disinformer. It is worded intentionally to have you jump to conclusions that are inaccurate through different framing of the situation and decision to conduct the strike.

ElectroNeutrino , (edited )

Under international law, you do not wantonly strike vehicles with markings for medical aid, such as ambulances. Doing so is a war crime. It doesn’t matter if it was, “an internationally recognized convoy.” It doesn’t matter if you suspect that it is fake.

Israel is admitting to violating Article 21 of the Geneva convention.

TinyPizza OP ,
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Here's the WSJ calling it a medical evacuation convoy 3 hours before the strike (which hit the same convoy in multiple places)

Israel and the Red Cross knew about it, and they were evacuating injured and dying people to Egypt. The villains were so dastardly they even identified the street/route they were taking! What a boob.

Sunforged ,

crickets

galloog1 ,

Israel, who has much better intelligence, claims that Hamas is using ambulances for their logistics.

It comes down to who you believe. I know that one side has a better track record.

If Hamas is using ambulances for their logistics, as they have been known to do, striking it is not a war crime. They actively do this because it looks worse for Israel.

The use of ambulances for logistics is a war crime. What a boob.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 @TinyPizza If you believe Israel in any way, shape or form, you're probably horribly naive. We're talking about the same people who are actively conducting genocide against the Palestinians, on top of the apartheid regime. They already inflicted on them. Are Hamas terrorists, yes, is Israel worse? Yes

galloog1 ,

I believe Israel because I’ve worked with them and seen these things myself. I also know information war and Israel is bound by the constraints of a Western Democratic approach whereas Hamas is not.

One is inherently more trustworthy and you can validate it quite simply based on how quickly they lay blame. Israel checks with their force to validate information and protects it’s information sources. Hamas simply immediately claims that every militant was a civilian, every explosion was an airstrike, and only walks it back when people get called out by name as dead.

Any military force is not perfect. War crimes happen in any force with Soldiers on the ground. Israel’s targeting provides multiple sources of validation and checks to ensure there is a legitimate target before conducting a strike and they can take civilian considerations into account. Soldiers on the ground do not have that same level of control inherently. Hamas includes targeting civilians in their orders though so there is that.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

So you're biased, got it

galloog1 ,

Well, this is honestly hilarious. You are trying to use Israeli opposition criticism of the government of Israel attempting to help the Palistinians as proof that they were propping up Hamas. I really don’t know what to say. Israel’s doing what the international community is calling for is not them playing 3d chess helping Hamas.

Working through the only existing power structure in the Gaza strip to allow more work permits may have inadvertently legitimized them and allowed them to further cement their authoritarianism but it’s a far cry from being the cause of them and it’s flat out dishonest to suggest so. You really do take away their autonomy with this narrative.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 You missed the part where that work was intentionally done to sabotage the creation of a sovereign Palestine. Nice thing for you to over at least get over, way to prove your bias.

Israel is literally responsible for this entire situation

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 Also Israel doesn't check shit. As they're using air dropped bombs inside a densely packed civilian population . Every fatality, every casualty is intentional. Worse haven't seen a lot of armed dead Gaza citizens, we HAVE seen a lot of dead unarmed ones

Don't lie you'll be caught

galloog1 ,

No competant military force on earth would show pictures of their own dead militants. They control the ground. Don’t be dumb.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 Israel has plenty of assets they can use to bolster their case

Yet, nothing. Hell they're so fucking terrible that the Jenin camp they committed an atrocity in, they don't even know they got the person they were aiming for.

They literally bombed a refugee camp and did not know if they got the target or not. What the fuck?!

galloog1 ,

All of that does not make it an illegitimate target under international law. If someone shoots your friend and runs into a building and you strike that building, you cannot claim that you got that target until you see a body. That’s just how assessments in a Western fires process work. It also provides more legitimacy when you do say something.

If you can come up with a more valid way to conduct assessments, by all means provide it. Israel wants to assess their targets as much as you want them to.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 Okay, let me help you out here, if some terrorist runs into a building, you don't blow up the entire fucking building full of people. That doesn't work

galloog1 ,

I think people have a really warped view of war on the internet. That’s exactly what any army on earth would do including and especially Hamas. Only the United States and Israel are known to not. Coalition partners literally think we are odd for taking civilian considerations into account as much as we do. You can find tens thousands of examples of this from the current war in Ukraine, ISIS fight, and any other going back to WWII.

I don’t know what to tell you. You are just simply wrong about this. War is just bad overall. That doesn’t make it a war crime. That has a pretty high burden of proof. You can run this through any military lawyer of any military. I know more than my fair share and work closely with them.

toallpointswest ,
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@galloog1 No, I've actually been to war, twice. So I'm good. Israel isn't taking civilians into consideration, they're racking up the body count by intentionally using the wrong weapons in a civilian populace.
Oh and that's in ADDITION to cutting off water, fuel, and medical supplies to the CIVILIANS
SO you're trying to bullshit people who now know that's what you're trying to do.
Israel is LITERALLY making more "terrorists" than they're killing with their disproportionate use of force

TinyPizza OP ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

"of course I didn't commit that murder, those people all blew themselves up! And I should know, I'm an explosives expert!" Said the mad bomber. ^And this guy trusts them because he literally comes out and says he's worked for them before. Doesn't a crystal ball to see what a malformed boob this boot licker is. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

galloog1 ,

I never said I worked for them. You make a lot of claims and provide little to no evidence that actually directly supports them. It also doesn’t take a crystal ball to see that all your claims follow the exact narratives of Hamas. You are also the one posting the most about it on this platform indicating that spreading propaganda may be part of your professional work.

I’ll just keep calling you out on it. It doesn’t feel like wasting time to me.

TinyPizza OP ,
@TinyPizza@kbin.social avatar

Here you go, Fuck Hamas, they can all eat shit and die. Now you go.

Keep chasing that tail boob.

TWeaK , (edited )

I saw the (scumbag asshole) Israeli spokesman Mark Regev on the news, he literally tried to make out that the ambulances were Hamas. He said something like “We’ve seen them build infrastructure underneath hospitals, is it hard to believe they would use ambulances too?”

Edit: The clip in question: youtu.be/m88g6POq-MA?t=1400

Channel 4 have really been on point throughout all this. Asking difficult questions from the start, and I’ve even seen some things on their programs before I’ve seen them online (not that I have my finger right on the pulse, but still).

Edit2: The whole segment is really worth a watch tbh. I saw bits I’d missed earlier when it was live. In particular, the observation that, while there have been large protests in Arab nations, they’re perhaps not as big as protests in the past and in fact there have in some cases been even larger protests in Western countries.

floofloof ,

This is like when the US would designate any fighting-age men they killed to be “enemy combatants.” If you define the enemy as anyone you kill, you can go ahead and kill anyone while claiming to hit only the enemy. In this case Israel seems only to need to say that the enemy might have been somewhere near the people it killed.

NOT_RICK ,
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Why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border to avoid civilian casualties? They have 300,000 soldiers, they can guard a refugee camp

TinyPizza OP , (edited )
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from the article:

“There will be no partners for peace if they’re consumed by humanitarian catastrophe and alienated by any perceived indifference to their plight,” Blinken said, even as the call for a temporary pause without the release by Hamas of Israeli hostages was swiftly rejected by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who said Israel would be “going with full steam ahead.”

Well that's the end of that antisemites career. Good riddance. Be a shame if somebody doxxed his home address. /S

Edit: Crap, I keep forgetting to add /s

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

TEL AVIV (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Israel on Friday that it risks destroying an eventual possibility for peace unless it acts swiftly to improve humanitarian conditions in Gaza for Palestinian civilians as it intensifies its war against Hamas.

“There will be no partners for peace if they’re consumed by humanitarian catastrophe and alienated by any perceived indifference to their plight,” Blinken said, even as the call for a temporary pause without the release by Hamas of Israeli hostages was swiftly rejected by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who said Israel would be “going with full steam ahead.”

The comments to reporters in Tel Aviv, following meetings with Netanyahu and other senior officials, amounted to some of the Biden administration’s strongest warnings to Israel since the brutal Oct. 7 rampage by Hamas that killed more than 1,400 civilians and soldiers.

He described being moved by additional video he’d been shown in Israel by the Hamas militants who carried out the attacks, including a father killed in front of his young children.

In his first public speech since the war began, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said his group had “entered the battle” with the past weeks’ unprecedented cross-border fighting.

But the complexity of the situation — and of Blinken’s push for Israel to consider a pause — was laid bare on Friday when Netanyahu, after leaving the meeting with the American official, ruled out the possibility of a cease-fire “that doesn’t include a return of our hostages,” referring to some 240 people Hamas abducted during its attack.

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