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stmcld ,

I mean, they are absolutely correct. Some people don’t like that it’s Medvedev and Zakharova saying it but it doesn’t make what they are saying any less true.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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If simply being correct in what you say gives you cover for being the wrong dude to say it, that would make a lot of American politicians look better in hindsight. Just a thought - that ‘wisdom’ cuts both ways. As The Dude once said, “You’re not wrong Walter, you’re just an asshole.”

stmcld ,

It still doesn’t change the fact that they are correct, despite people not liking or agreeing with them on other occasions.

I don’t see it as cover for anything, i see it as facts being stated, and should be stated, at a time when people in authority are not stating these facts. Is it politically motivated? Absolutely. But it doesn’t make them wrong, and certainly not wrong for saying it.

If everyone who takes a position in world politics ( or whatever else) that you don’t agree with is an arsehole, or the 'wrong dude ’ as you put it, then you’re living in a bubble. Just as someone who’s ideas or statements you do agree with can absolutely be an arsehole or the ‘wrong dude’ to many other people.

Dremor ,
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If the involvement of the IDF is proven. We don’t know the exact truth yet, finding the truth takes time.

On the other hand there is some interesting clue to what happened.

First, this video from that night, from a livestreamed and geolocated position (according to OSINT) :

twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106

We see a rocket being launched, seemingly missfire and blowing up high in the sky, then two explosions, the second one being located near the hospital. The timestamp seem to correspond to the reported time of the bombing.

Moreover the damages don’t look like they are from a detonated military bomb, but rather the result of a weaker explosive. Very little shrapnel damage, tiny impact impact crater, not enough blast damage.

My guess would be the same as those of the IDF side. It looks like a rocket impact.

Now whose rocket was it? I don’t have the means or time to do a trajectory analysis, as to have anything precise enough it would require a second geolocated viewpoint (to be able to triangulate a likely launch position). The best I could do is to determine a general direction for its origin.

stmcld ,

True enough, an investigation is needed.

I just don’t trust the israelis or the US when it comes to these investigations. The israelis have a truly awful track record of outright lying and making stuff up, and the US affirms whatever they say no matter what.

RojoSanIchiban ,

Putin licks dildos that were in Lavrov’s ass.

The previous statement is absolute truth because I declare it so. Now run the story on RT and Pravda and whatever other propaganda rags run BS like this.

FuglyDuck ,
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Putin licks dildos that were in Lavrov’s ass.

Also the US’s fault. That Bad Dragon was made in the US, after all.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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As rhetorical gambits go this one is fascinating. A weaponized non sequitur. Like shitting in your hand, smacking your forehead, and saying “that guy just blew my brains out!”

Nonsense, but it’s distracting and it forces people to waste time mocking you.

Substance_P ,

Hahaha Amazing!

ivanafterall ,
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Wait, they usually only accuse others of things they did, so...did Russia bomb the hospital in Gaza!?

HappycamperNZ ,

It’s ok, Russian words don’t mean anything anymore.

WhatAmLemmy ,

It’s okay. They’ve already bombed dozens of hospitals and schools in Ukraine.

ivanafterall ,
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Oh ok.

Diplomjodler ,

You might be on to something here.

Wilibus ,

If you read the article they blamed this attack on the excessive amount of money the US spends arming foreign countries to protect their interests.

I don’t normally believe this kind of propaganda and ultimately the US didn’t pull the trigger, they just wrote the check that facilatated the purchase of the weapons. Kind of a guns don’t kill people the people who buy guns for other people kill people type argument.

dogslayeggs ,

But most credible sources and eye witness accounts makes it most likely this was a Hamas missile gone astray, not an Israeli strike. So the US didn’t write the check that facilitated the purchase of the weapons.

Now, you can argue that Israel was only able to be in the position to be attacked by Hamas using a missile that went astray because of US funding of their weapons, but that’s a bigger topic.

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