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guriinii ,

Absolutely vile. I’m sure the 800+ civilians killed in bombing the hospital was intentional inevitable.

cooljacob204 ,

20-50 is believed to be the most accurate number right now and the evidence is pretty clear now that it was a failed Hamas/related groups rocket.

Madison420 ,

Israel said it isn’t Israel, so it’s definitely Israel given their track record. You’re probably thinking “yeah they’ve done some shitty stuff” but no I mean they’ve literally bombed a hospital before and blamed it on a misfired Hamas rocket.

filister ,

Again, you are taking the Israelis official line.

Keep in mind that there are efforts for independent investigation and all results at the time are inconclusive.

The truth is that many civilians are killed and continue being killed in this conflict, not to mention the humanitarian side of it. And that’s unacceptable. All people deserve decent living conditions no matter their skin colour, religion, and race.

havokdj ,

And the lesson to be learned here is that there is not always a “good guy” in a conflict.

Sometimes they are both just worthless assholes.

hassanmckusick ,

Israel has killed 36x as many children as all pro-Palestine groups combined have killed Israeli kids.

havokdj ,

I love how you cherry pick in Palestine’s favor by explicitly mentioning how many children in general Israel has killed vs how many children specifically belonging to Israel that Palestine has killed.

You’re also missing the point that neither is good. They’re women and fucking children, innocents FFS. You can’t put a metric on good to either of those, those are both objectively bad things and they should both be punished for it.

hassanmckusick ,
  1. I didn’t cherry pick shit. I just worded that poorly and you would rather attack me on style than substance www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
  2. Scale absolutely makes a difference. Especially when you consider how much funding Israeli gets. Maybe there is no “good guy” but when one side starts killing orders of magnitudes more innocents than the other side then one side definitely becomes the bad guys.
havokdj ,
  1. Then don’t word it poorly next time. Thank you for providing data though, most people don’t do that and that was really cool of you
  2. One side may be worse, but at the end of the day, they both deliberately killed innocents. It doesn’t matter how many more one killed, they are BOTH BAD GUYS.
Annoyed_Crabby ,

One is a villain with a cause you can relate to, one is a hero that’s just absolutely evil.

Pick a side. I sure can’t.

havokdj ,

Those are both the same thing at the end of the day.

It’s unfortunate that the God they worship doesn’t exist, because they would both be going straight to hell.

Squid ,

I think we should just cram both leaders into a submersible

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Is there even a confirmation of the claim that Hamas using civilian as human shield for all the Israeli strike? Or is it just another lies the Israel tell to justify their ethnic cleansing? Like how they strike building that house AP, Aljazeera and other press, in Gaza back in 2021 saying there’s militant in the building? Or the time they bomb a evacuating truck full of civilian after they asked a city of 2 millions to evacuate down south? Or the time they murdered Aljazeera journalist but lie to the world that it’s Palestine who did it?

agitatedpotato ,

The hospital debate is proving to be great cover for Isreal. I bet this gets about as much traction as the journalists the IDF killed earlier this week. They sure seem to be having a lot of accidents that get glossed over.

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    agitatedpotato ,

    I mean, I’m not trying to give Isreal, or anyone else right now, the benefit of the doubt but we have reports if Israeli planes using unguided munitions from two days ago. And not to take away from the severity but I wouldn’t call the strike dead on as it missed the main structure, however the strike in 2014 that I’ve refered to elsewhere was also similar in that it hit close but the initial impact was not on the structure itself, so I don’t think that alone has too much bearing on who actually did it.

    businessinsider.com/israeli-air-force-photos-figh…

    ShroOmeric ,

    It’s mostly inevitable if you’re aiming at them.

    RealFknNito ,
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    “Dog deaths are inevitable”

    Fires guided munitions into a fucking veterinary clinic.

    Damn those terrorists for making us do this.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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    "Yeah, we're going to kill innocent people. Can't be helped. Remember: We're the good guys!"

    Squizzy ,

    Nazi Israel strikes again

    PugJesus ,
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    Are civilian deaths inevitable in any war of sufficient scale? Yes.

    Is the IDF operating with a mindset of minimizing civilian casualties? Doubtful.

    givesomefucks ,

    They blew up a truck full of women and children that were using the evac route Israel promised not to bomb…

    Then an hour later while the bodies were still burning on the road they started telling Palestinians it was safe again

    TokenBoomer ,

    Yeah, but hospital /s

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    More than one million Palestinians were warned to move to southern Gaza from the north at the weekend by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), ahead of an expected ground invasion.

    The Palestinian health ministry, which is run by Hamas, has also claimed up to 500 people, which they called “martyrs”, were killed in a bombing that targeted a hospital in Gaza City on Tuesday.

    IDF spokesperson, Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner, told Sky News earlier: "You can’t expect us not to protect our civilians because Hamas are hiding behind theirs.

    The chief of Israel’s military intelligence, Major General Aharon Haliva, has written a letter taking responsibility for failure to anticipate the deadly attack.

    Speaking at a news conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Tuesday, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said Hamas was responsible for the safety of civilians in Gaza, including hostages they have taken, and claimed the group is using citizens as human shields.

    Hundreds of people are feared buried under the rubble in Gaza, and more than a million Palestinians have fled their homes, with aid agencies warning of a deteriorating humanitarian crisis.

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