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China orders government workers to stop using iPhones amid heightened tensions with US

A handful of Chinese ministries have told employees to stop using Apple’s iPhones at work, citing national security risks amid heightened geopolitical tensions with the United States, according to several people familiar with the matter.

The orders were handed down in August to employees at ministries whose portfolios are focused on investment, trade and international affairs, according to five separate sources with knowledge of the situation.

The measures were understood to be aimed at eliminating perceived national security risks from using telecommunication devices made by a US company, sources said.

jeena ,
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I think it makes sense theoretically, but the problem is that the Chinese alternatives are probably full of deliberate security holes which are needed to get information from everyone to the CCP but can also be used be other people to get information from the Chinese.

NateNate60 ,

I’m sure the Government can go tell a company to remove the backdoors on Government devices:

Remove all the backdoors and we’ll buy phones for each of our 100,000 employees and award your company a ¥3 gazillion support contract. But if we find out the NSA hacked our phones then there’ll be big trouble, Mao Zedong-style.

jeena ,
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But the higher ups still want to spy on the lower ones.

NateNate60 ,

They can install the same management software that most companies around the globe put on their employee’s phones to track what their minions are doing on company hardware. You don’t need special backdoors for that.

YeetPics ,
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How else will they track and punish every tiny expression of doubt?

Serdan ,

Sounds interesting. Do you have a source?

Buffaloaf ,

So are they instead going to use Android phones? Because, I hate to break it to them, Google is also an American company.

asdfasdfasdf ,

Android is open source so it doesn’t matter who makes it. You can audit the code and remove what you dislike. North Korea does the same thing with Linux.

histy ,

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    asdfasdfasdf ,

    Yep! It’s the same dynamic with freedom of speech. It’s creates a more open society, but then people can also lie to you and say bad things. Open source == democracy.

    iegod ,

    This is not a guarantee of security. I wish people would stop parroting this bs about oss

    bassomitron ,

    No one said it’s a guarantee by default. But open source means open source… If you have doubts with the code, you can have (in this context) an entire team of developers well versed in cyber security review the code line by line. In other words, you can eliminate any potential backdoors.

    iegod ,

    No doubt, at a non trivial cost.

    asdfasdfasdf ,

    There are other projects which have already done this and open sourced their versions as well, so you can look at their security analysis and use their code for your own projects if you want.

    That’s the beauty of open source. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel.

    Saneless ,

    No, they just take the AOSP and modify it with their own shit

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    They wouldn’t use a Google version of Android. It’s open source so I wouldn’t be surprised if they had their own fork of it filled with their own changes and removing any Google specific functionality that they would roll out in their own market.

    FrankTheHealer ,

    Chinese Android phones that are sold domestically don’t use Google accounts.

    They usually come with WeChat or some other ‘everything app’ pre-installed, that you login to with your government issued ID.

    yoz ,

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvKloQIWAAI8trV.jpg

    givesomefucks ,

    I don’t know why people keep posting these huge images…

    But I’ve been blocking the people that do it often and it’s really improved the Lemmy experience, highly recommend. Not just because they’re annoying, but it was also used as an attack vector for malicious code a few weeks ago

    yoz ,

    https://meme-generator.com/wp-content/uploads/mememe/2019/05/mememe_e82d663d5fe9867bcffe29f004220c4c-1.jpg

    pancakes ,
    @pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Usually people don’t completely miss the point this hard, but here you are.

    I_annoy_you ,

    kek

    take my upvote

    Ildar ,
    @Ildar@lemmy.world avatar

    You are scrolling in the web, or some mobile client?

    wahming ,

    Using sync, there’s the option to disable embedded images in comments. It’s made an amazing difference in browsing quality. Comments don’t get blocked, you can still read and participate in discussions without having to scratch your eyes out

    givesomefucks ,

    It’s not like I block everyone who posts one.

    But if I click their name and it’s filled with stupid pictures…

    I’m not worried about missing any conversation that comes after it.

    YeetPics ,
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    This yoz kid is annoying af, followed your advice.

    OhStopYellingAtMe ,
    @OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world avatar

    Which billion dollar company? Apple, or the Chinese Government?

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